Talk:Master (BDSM)

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==Gender==
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Some parts of this page are lifted from or heavily influenced by Tanos, who has given permission for such usage.
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]]
  
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The term '''Master''' can be used gender-independent or can be used in context to mean male only.  There is not otherwise a male equivalent.  The female equivalent is [[Mistress]] or possibly [[Dominatrix]].
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==Casual Usage==
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I disagree with the dominants not being masochists - it is a fairly common type of switch.  Think of a Venn Diagram allowing all possible intersections of sadist/dominant and bondage top. [[User:PallandoZi|PallandoZi]]
  
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Some people in a relationship enjoy the psychological impact of calling their partner ''Master'' or having their partner call them ''Master''.  Such usage is not by itself an indication that they are a master any more than calling a partner 'honey' indicates that they are made of honey.
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My text allows that a [[Dom]] MIGHT be a masochist.  A switch is not a dom and I think where my text falls down is not covering the issue of switches within a sentence under dom and top, or the ''See Also''.  I haven't touched the [[Dominant]] reference (yet) but see that does mention switches. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:30, 4 Apr 2005 (BST)
  
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This usage of the word ''Master'' as an honorific is a common source of confusion when trying to use or understand terminology, given that the more accepted usage requires no certification or formal training.  Most especially, a [[Dom]] might be called ''Master'' by his [[sub]].
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I have moved the 'Context' section to a new page called [[BDSM Roles]].  --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 19:20, 4 Apr 2005 (BST)
  
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Typically, '''Master''' is used to describe the dominant partner, or owner, in a [[Master/Slave]] relationship.  A Master might have little specific expertise although to successfully own a slave, he must have some abilities and skills.
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I think we should give a lot more prominence to master being male, but note some female doms do use the word. In the UK scene, a very small fraction of female doms call themselves masters.
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--[[User:Tanos]] 4 Apr 2005
  
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The Master has usually been given the right to exercise authority over the slave in some sense, within a relationship that may extend to a full time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  
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I've made a change.  Feel free to directly chip in on any of these pages now you see I've done the "first pass".  After all, it's often easier to see what's wrong or missing that to come up with the original, so don't hold back.  I've done this page, Dom, Top (BDSM), Slave, Sub, Bottom (BDSM), Mistress, Domme and Dominatrix.  They are aren't perfect but they are a start in which I try to differentiate between them while explaining some of the confusion and cross-over. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 23:21, 4 Apr 2005 (BST)
  
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A '''Master''' might be a [[sadist]] but is unlikely to be a [[masochist]].
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==Context==
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Can you provide any references for "overlord" being used instead of master (not as a personal name) in a BDSM context? All I can turn up with Google are people called Overlord and I've never seen it used otherwise myself -- [[User:Tanos|Tanos]] 18:45, 17 Apr 2005 (BST)
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[[Image:BDSMvenn.gif|An overview of the various practitioners of Fetish and BDSM|right]]
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For convenience, people who are "In Charge" or wielding the crop or whatever are referred to as "tops", and the person on the other end is called a "bottom". Many people enjoy being both and are said to be "switches".
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Furthermore, tops in a DS context are called "doms" (short for "dominants") and bottoms in DS are "subs". It's very important to remember that not all tops are doms, and not all bottoms are subs (ie not everyone into some parts of BDSM is into the DS part.) The diagram should help make this clearer. If you need to indicate gender, there are modified terms: maledom, femdom, domme (which is a feminine form of gender neutral word dom), malesub and femsub.  
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Nope!  I don't know where I saw it but when I put that in, I was reading some historic perspective that said Overlord was an older term, still in use by some. Pull it out if you want.
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 01:00, 18 Apr 2005 (BST)
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==See Also==
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* [[Master]] [[Mistress]] [[Owner]]
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* [[Dom]] [[Domme]] [[Dominatrix]]
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* [[Top]]
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* [[Slave]]
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* [[Sub]]
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* [[Bottom]]
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* [[Dominant]]
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* [[Submissive]]
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* [[Fetish]] [[Kink]]
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* [[Sadist]]
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* [[Masochist]]
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Latest revision as of 19:02, 8 June 2006

Some parts of this page are lifted from or heavily influenced by Tanos, who has given permission for such usage. --Interesdom

I disagree with the dominants not being masochists - it is a fairly common type of switch. Think of a Venn Diagram allowing all possible intersections of sadist/dominant and bondage top. PallandoZi

My text allows that a Dom MIGHT be a masochist. A switch is not a dom and I think where my text falls down is not covering the issue of switches within a sentence under dom and top, or the See Also. I haven't touched the Dominant reference (yet) but see that does mention switches. --Interesdom 18:30, 4 Apr 2005 (BST)

I have moved the 'Context' section to a new page called BDSM Roles. --Interesdom 19:20, 4 Apr 2005 (BST)

I think we should give a lot more prominence to master being male, but note some female doms do use the word. In the UK scene, a very small fraction of female doms call themselves masters. --User:Tanos 4 Apr 2005

I've made a change. Feel free to directly chip in on any of these pages now you see I've done the "first pass". After all, it's often easier to see what's wrong or missing that to come up with the original, so don't hold back. I've done this page, Dom, Top (BDSM), Slave, Sub, Bottom (BDSM), Mistress, Domme and Dominatrix. They are aren't perfect but they are a start in which I try to differentiate between them while explaining some of the confusion and cross-over. --Interesdom 23:21, 4 Apr 2005 (BST)

Can you provide any references for "overlord" being used instead of master (not as a personal name) in a BDSM context? All I can turn up with Google are people called Overlord and I've never seen it used otherwise myself -- Tanos 18:45, 17 Apr 2005 (BST)

Nope! I don't know where I saw it but when I put that in, I was reading some historic perspective that said Overlord was an older term, still in use by some. Pull it out if you want. --Interesdom 01:00, 18 Apr 2005 (BST)

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