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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{Information<br />
| Description = Diagram of skirt lengths. <br />
| Source = {{Spanking Art-ref|User:Spankart|Spankart}}<br />
| Date = 2014<br />
| Author = Legs photo: {{commons|User:Mikael_Häggström}}, diagram: Spankart<br />
| Permission = CC0 1.0<br />
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== Licensing ==<br />
{{PD-user|Spankart}}</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=SkirtSkirt2014-01-04T22:34:58Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Minirock (Lack) Model Dani 1.jpg|thumb|right|PVC skirt]]<br />
A '''skirt''' is a garment that covers the body from the waist to anywhere from the mid-[[thigh]] to the ankles depending on length. Unlike trousers or [[shorts]], it is open at the bottom.<br />
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In modern western societies it is considered an exclusively female garment (except for kilts worn in a few countries, notably Scotland). It is therefore often preferred to trousers by [[transvestite]]s and [[cross-dresser]]s. Conversely, it may be avoided by [[butch]] females.<br />
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Tight and/or short skirts can often have sexualised connotations. A very tight skirt may show [[VPL]].<br />
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Like other garments, it can be made of [[fetish]] materials such as [[leather (material)|leather]], [[rubber]] and [[PVC]].<br />
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A popular fetish is being able to glimpse what is under a skirt; see [[Panchira]], [[Skirt up]] and [[Voyeurism]].<br />
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== See also ==<br />
[[File:Skirt lengths.png|thumb|800px|Diagram of various skirt lengths]]<br />
* [[Cut-out]]<br />
* [[Dress]]<br />
* [[Miniskirt]]<br />
* [[Hobble skirt]]<br />
* [[Panchira]]<br />
* [[Peep skirt]]<br />
* [[Petticoat]]<br />
* [[Ra-ra skirt]]<br />
* [[Spanking skirt]]<br />
* [[Skating skirt]]<br />
* [[Skirt up]]<br />
* [[Skort]]<br />
* [[Suspender skirt]]<br />
* [[Tutu]]<br />
* [[Voyeurism]]<br />
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| Description = Diagram of skirt lengths.
| Source = {{Spanking Art-ref|User:Spankart|Spankart}}
| Date = 2014
| Author = Legs photo: {{commons|User:Mikael_Häggström}}, diagram: Spankart
| Permission = CC0 1.0
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{Information<br />
| Description = Diagram of skirt lengths. <br />
| Source = {{Spanking Art-ref|User:Spankart|Spankart}}<br />
| Date = 2014<br />
| Author = Legs photo: {{commons|User:Mikael_Häggström}}, diagram: Spankart<br />
| Permission = CC0 1.0<br />
}}<br />
== Licensing ==<br />
{{PD}}</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=File:Schoolgirlspank.jpgFile:Schoolgirlspank.jpg2013-10-26T17:26:44Z<p>Roguebfl: /* Summary */</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{Information<br />
| Description = A woman (dressed as a schoolgirl) in the process of an over-the-knee [[spanking]]<br />
| Source = {{Spanking Art-ref|Image:Schoolgirlspank.jpg}}; apparently copied from Flickr<br />
| Date = 04:31, 5 August 2007<br />
| Author = {{Spanking Art-ref|User:Enigma_desparatus}} <br />
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== Licensing ==<br />
{{GFDL}}</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:BalzacUser talk:Balzac2013-10-26T10:40:06Z<p>Roguebfl: /* ParserFunction */ new section</p>
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<div>==interwiki Table==<br />
I'm not sure what the contents of this db table are, of course. Have you seen the SQL script at<br />
[http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.6 cvs.sourceforge.net]<br />
?<br />
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It would be helpful to have a list on a topic (under Help: ?) for those who want to refer to other wikis at any point.<br />
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I have registered the Wipipedia as a link with Wikipedia and it should become active within a week or so.<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 20:52, 18 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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I had a look at the database and we have this data already loaded. I need to spend some time and work out how to use it! [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 22:57, 19 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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It's this table, as far as I'm aware, that allows us to put in wikimedia code such as :<br />
* <nowiki>[[Dictionary:fetish|Definition of Fetish]]</nowiki><br />
* <nowiki>[[GoogleGroups:soc.culture.bondage|soc.culture.bondage]]</nowiki><br />
* <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:servant|servant]]</nowiki><br />
Which produces:<br />
* [[Dictionary:fetish|Definition of Fetish]]<br />
* [[GoogleGroups:soc.culture.bondage|soc.culture.bondage newsgroup]]<br />
* [[Wikipedia:servant|servant]]<br />
(btw lets put this in the Help file before deleting it!)<br />
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What I'd like is for such inter-wiki links to open in another (single) window. If we can do that it would be very helpful as I think there's lots of times we should be linking (back) into wikipedia.<br />
--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 23:46, 19 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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== Interesdom locked out ==<br />
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Interesdom asks me to pass on the message that he can not get access to the site because he changed his skin to something that gives a blank page even on preferences and can you please change his skin back to something that works but not the black one because he can't see that very well.<br />
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Thank you Sir.<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
It seems I was not the only one trying to see which skins made things more legible! Many thanks for re-setting me and I'm pleased to say I'm now back in under my "real" name. I'll use user-css to change the colours a little instead! Re your question, I'd be happy to help out and bring the experience I have to, uh, help whipi things into shape ;-P --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 16:17, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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== Body belt ==<br />
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Hi there. Would you mind if I used your [[:image:Bodybelt.jpg|picture of a body belt]] in the Wikipedia "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bondage_belt bondage belt]" article (it'd be tagged as GFDL with a link back to you here at Wipipedia)?. &mdash;[[User:Ghakko|Ghakko]] 14:12, 16 Jul 2005 (BST)<br />
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I am very happy for you to use it. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 22:33, 16 Jul 2005 (BST)<br />
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On Wikipeida there is a template <nowiki>{{Wipipedia|pagename}}</nowiki> for standard acknowledgement of information taken from here. Instructions for its use are at [[Wikipedia:Template_talk:Wipipedia]]. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 23:12, 16 Jul 2005 (BST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! &mdash;[[User:Ghakko|Ghakko]] 08:30, 17 Jul 2005 (BST)<br />
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==Interwiki redirects==<br />
I'm finding these very confusing as a reader and as an editor/author here. As a reader, I suddenly find myself off on a totally different site, unexepcted and without an obvious way back (I would normally open any other site in a new browser window. It is hard for an editor to get to such a redirect page to change the redirect or to put text there instead. Could I suggest that instead of redirects we simply have text along the lines of <nowiki>"See {{Wikipedia:somepage|Wikipedia}} for an article on this subject"</nowiki>.<br />
--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 19:37, 15 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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What I am trying to do is to provide links to articles that fall outside of the BDSM subject matter but are refereed to in artciles imported from the wikipedia. Since the Wipi and the wiki both use the same interface (OK different colours) I felt that it was a good way of expanding topics that are on the boundary of what would be suitable for the wipipedia. I agree that it might be a little supprising to the reader when it first happens but I think that they would quickly get used to it. I do think though, that it might be better if I inbed the wikipedia link into the article (so it appears in blue) rathter than creat a redirect. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 19:51, 15 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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I have used the "veiw the Wikipedia artcile" on some topics but where the link is already inbedded in the artcle I felt it would not ready well.<br />
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== Images on gags ==<br />
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What kind of licence are they under? (I'm looking for good pictures for wikipedia) [[User:Henna|Henna]] 10:02, 21 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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All the gag shots (and any other shots of equipment on the same background) were taken by me and are published under the GNU Free Documentation License, so feel free to use them. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 11:30, 21 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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thank you very much, is there a general policy here concerning images or would it be best to ask everybody seperatly if their images are under a suitable licence? (couldn't find an equivalent to the wikipedia Village Pump) [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:15, 21 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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ok, I've been having a more thorough lookaround now if I understand correctly, the following images are under gfdl:<br />
* [[:Image:Armbinder.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Blindfolds.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Bondage cuffs 01.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Collar 01.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Erotic electrostimulation.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Flogger 01.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Flogger 02.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Flogger 03.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Nipple clamps 01.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Nipple clamps 02.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Nipple clamps 03.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Handcuffs.JPG]]<br />
* [[:Image:Panic snaps.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Sleepsack.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Fuckingmachine.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:CB2000A.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:CB2000B.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Isolationhood2.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Scaffold_01.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Scaffold_02.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Spreader bar with cuffs.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Vacuumbed.jpg]]<br />
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''Henna'': On Wikipeida there is a template <nowiki>{{Wipipedia|pagename}}</nowiki> for standard acknowledgement of information taken from here. Instructions for its use are at [[Wikipedia:Template_talk:Wipipedia|Template_talk:Wipipedia]]. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:44, 21 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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''Balzac'': I have recently added the [[Help:Template|templates]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{FAL}}</nowiki>. I'm not sure if the GFDL is really needed as all Wipipedia is covered by it but it is there in case you want it (unless you prefer the Free Art Licence). --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:44, 21 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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* [[:Image:Armbinder.jpg]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Blindfolds.jpg]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Bondage cuffs 01.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Collar 01.JPG]] TES<br />
* [[:Image:Erotic electrostimulation.jpg]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Flogger 01.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Flogger 02.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Flogger 03.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Nipple clamps 01.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Nipple clamps 02.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Nipple clamps 03.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Handcuffs.JPG]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Panic snaps.jpg]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Sleepsack.jpg]] NO<br />
* [[:Image:Fuckingmachine.jpg]] NO<br />
* [[:Image:CB2000A.jpg]] NO<br />
* [[:Image:CB2000B.jpg]] NO<br />
* [[:Image:Isolationhood2.jpg]] NO but they are happy for image to be used if get link to website<br />
* [[:Image:Scaffold_01.jpg]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Scaffold_02.jpg]] YES <br />
* [[:Image:Spreader bar with cuffs.jpg]] YES<br />
* [[:Image:Vacuumbed.jpg]] NO<br />
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The NOs I have copied off on-line stores and given a credit and link so I don't think there will be any problem. Topto Bottom leathers (the isolation hood) have said I can use any of their images [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 20:45, 21 Aug 2005 (BST)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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This wipipedia is cool. :)<br />
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I've posted a message on [[Talk:Main Page]]/[[Wipipedia talk:Community Portal]] if you're interested<br />
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I would like to help out any way I can<br />
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I notice from '''[[Special:Recentchanges]]''' that it's pretty inactive at the moment, it's a pity - maybe you need more publicity<br />
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One thing it definitely needs is more community/social side so that people actually can collaborate on articles instead of just occasional more random changes. A list of who admins are and stuff would be good too, like on Wikipedia (I am [[Wikipedia:User:Mistress Selina Kyle]]) --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:41, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::I was wondering, what does it take to become a sysop/bureaucrat around here? I would very much like to help out.<br />
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:I just reverted what seems to be a long string of vandalism on [[Current events]] by automatically-created spambot accounts, see [http://www.lfshosting.co.uk/wipi/index.php?title=Current_events&action=history http://www.lfshosting.co.uk/wipi/index.php?title=Current_events&action=history] - Not sure if much can be done about this, have you blocked the IPs yet? --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 15:34, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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== Hello again ==<br />
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Ok, you might want to see <nowiki>[[Category:Users that are possible candidates for blocking]]</nowiki> for a list of some vandalisers (same thing, porn/viagra spammers on current events) that seems haven't been blocked yet. :)<br />
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Did you see my message on [[Talk:Main Page]]? Are you responsible for hosting the site and maintenance etc or only an admin of the wiki itself?<br />
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It'd be cool if you could set up ''Commons:'' to go to named links on ''[[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons|Wikimedia Commons]]'' in the same way ''Wikipedia:'' does, also the shorthand ''w:'' and ''c:'' possible?<br />
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One immediate bug I notice at the moment: My talk page is never marking itself as unread like it should - No matter how many times I look at my talk message I still have a big glaring orange "You have new messages" bar near the top of my screen. Weird. --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 20:50, 25 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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== Hey there, ==<br />
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Thanks Balzac for the kind welcome. I also wanted to thank you for coding and categorizing the articles I wrote. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 22:05:57, 2005-12-25 (GMT)<br />
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I had a question. Why not utilize the private message feature of php with this website? Also, there are several blocks which can make the site more of a community, such as "who is where", "last logins" etc. Is there a reason why this site doesn't use these free and easily installable features of php?<br />
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Just curious. Thanks! --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 17:07:32, 2005-12-27 (GMT)<br />
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My PHP knowledge is fairly utilitarian, I assume to use these features I would need to patch the metawiki software. The only problem I see is that if there is a new version of Metawiki released then there could be issues with trasnfering them t the new version. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 22:35, 27 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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I don't believe that would be the case, as you are running php, and wiki would be a module of php, not vice versa. It's sort of like running Word on your computer, and also Outlook Express at the same time. Two different programs running off of the same pc. Same thing with wiki and different modules running on php. I'd check it out, it might be worth your while to do so. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 22:19:22, 2005-12-28 (GMT)<br />
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== Using copyright material from Wikipedia ==<br />
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Please see my comments on [[Talk:Polyamory]] re. using material from Wikipedia without acknowledgement. Thanks - --[[User:Calair|Calair]] 23:54, 18 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== I'm flattered ==<br />
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I'm pleased to see that some material I contributed to Wikipedia was deemed worthy of inclusion here, such as Box tie, ball tie and Savage fold. In some cases, I've amended the articles since you copied them. Would you like me to copy over the latest versions, and some that you haven't copied? Are things like schoolgirl fetish and uniform fetish within your scope? Please e-mail me, as I don't know when I'll be looking at my user page. [[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 23:40, 18 May 2006 (BST)<br />
:I'm enjoying it here. Can I apply to be an admin please. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 00:53, 29 May 2006 (BST)<br />
::Thanks ever so! --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 22:30, 4 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Use of images ==<br />
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I am confused by these new rules about the use of certain images. I understand that we need permission to use the images from the original owner. However, I do have some problems about using hardcore images. Seeing as this is an adult website, I thought that the use of hardcore images would be exceptable. After all, there are hardcore images all over the internet, and some of those will be from British websites. Also, what exact laws would we be breaking if a hardcore image was being used? What exactly qualifies as being hardcore in the first place? Would the picture of a naked person be considered hardcore, or a naked person being bound, physically punished, masturbating or using a dildo be hardcore? [[User:ISD|ISD]] 13:54, 12 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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: It is an adult website but we do need to be careful about obscenity laws. The London Fetish Scene who technically owns the wipipedia is operated through a limited company (although not for profit) a number of us are directors of the company and hence could be procescuted if the police decided what we were publishing broke any laws. We also do this as a hobby not a job an none of us want the publicity of a police investigation, it may be a little paranoid nut that doesn't mean they are not out to get us! We do need to be careful about any image showing any sex act or genitalia. I don't think there is any problem if the article is obviously informative but a lot of the images that lataxgirl has been posting is straight porn. <br />
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: I think there is also a question mark over if the articles being posted are legitimet content for the site, this is an encyclopedia not a pornagraphic image library. We do not have umlimited storage and bandwidth if people wanted to download images there are plenty of other sites to cater for them. In terms of what constitutes hardcore and softcore I agree this is a grey area and we will have to take a view on a case by case basis. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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Is it possible to export images from Wikipedia into Wipipedia? [[User:ISD|ISD]] 14:41, 13 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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: Quite a few images on the wipi are from the wikipedia. In general there are no copyright issues about using them and no obscenity issues either. I just to a save as on the wikipedia and then import the image into the wipipedia. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 15:11, 13 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Colour schemes ==<br />
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I've had the following query from new [[User:Bt]]. Can you help please?<br />
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"It does not seem that the version of Mediawiki you're using supports alternate colors on the screen. Since some of the color choices are very difficult for me to read in combination (odd contrasts are the chief problem, I think), I've an interest in making adjustments. Are these possible in some way I've not seen?"--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 00:05, 25 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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He can try using a different skin (from preferences) One of these days I will setup a better front page that displays corrrectly with the standard wikipedia default page [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 00:28, 25 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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:All has been made clear. The options available under preferences were invisible due to the lack of contrast on the default skin. Problem resolved. [[User:Bt|Bt]] 18:56, 26 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Interwiki==<br />
The interwiki entry we have on MediaWiki (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map) isn't working anymore. It points to http://www.lfshosting.co.uk/wipi/index.php/$1 (the $1 being the replacement code for the article name) which seems to always land on the main page now. Could we fix the link as a matter of urgency, or we'll have people removing all the links from Wipipedia to here. We can also change the link on MediaWiki, Meatball etc. but from past experience, that can take several weeks to take effect - let me know if you want me to handle that side.<br />
--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:30, 25 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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: If you could sort it that would be very helpful [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 11:37, 25 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Admin offer ==<br />
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It would be nice to be an admin, but I'm not sure that I could honestly tell you that I'll have a sustained long-term interest in editing here -- when I first came across this site, I saw that there were a number of things here that I could improve relatively easily, but since my interests tend to be somewhat specific, that will probably diminish with time... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 19:24, 20 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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:Thanks.... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:45, 26 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Problem with low-contrast text==<br />
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On page [[Bondage bed]], the link text of the link to "JT's Stockroom" is displayed in light blue on very light gray in the apparent default skin, and so is very difficult to read (in fact almost invisible in my browser). [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:45, 26 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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I have been thinking of changing it for some time. I'll have a look at doing it now!!! [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 19:52, 26 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Main page ==<br />
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I wanted to correct "Its simple" and "add you suggestions" on the main page, but it complained about the spam filter(?), and wouldn't let me do it... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 16:21, 30 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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: The system has a flag to prevent < div string being saved, th emost common form of wiki spam uses them to imbed web address to get picked up by google spiders. Unfortunatly the formatting of the main page also uses them. If I want to changethe page I need to first turn them off, make the chnage, and then turn them back on again. The result being that I am the only person that tcan edit the main page. I'll make the corrections 08:50, 1 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright status and stuff ==<br />
Just saw your edit summary saying "Forniphilic gag by Robert Bishop. Believed to be fair use of image as artist is deceased" Just thought you should know the Berne(sp?) convention on copyright means that copyright only expires 75 years after the dead of the author. Also it's my understanding that there is no "fair use" within UK copyright law, I believe that's an american concept that doesn't apply here, although I could be wrong on that. [[User:Astaroth|Astaroth]] 20:32, 10 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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: You may be right there, I have looked around and his work is used quite alot on other sites so I am assuming that no one will object to its use here. I would be much more careful with more recent stuff. I want to use a Gord image I have in my collection. In this case I'll email them first before I put it up just in case they object. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 20:47, 10 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Wikipedia==<br />
It's proposed to delete the Wikipedia article about Wipipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wipipedia_%282_nomination%29] -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 20:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== BDSM equipment suppliers ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Is there a reason you removed my contribution to suppliers?<br />
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Eco<br />
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OK I understand. Is there a criteria for uniqueness? I'm wondering at what point would my work pass the test? OK, I guess you won't answer this but I would like to know if you are able to answer.<br />
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Eco<br />
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== Arsehole is whiting. ==<br />
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We have a troll. --[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 06:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== GFDL Images ==<br />
Thanks a lot for providing all this great GFDL-content! It is really a great help for my work on the German Wikipedia, since we have a very strict policy against copyrighted images and no legal base for "fair use". Any single image is highly appreciated and helps to further widen the perspective on BDSM on the German project. Kind Regards. [[User:Nemissimo|Nemissimo]] 12:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for the re-welcome and the info concerning my email, I'll have to look into that. I read your bio; you have an interesting story. [[User:Faustus Tacitus|Faustus Tacitus]] 23:50, 23 April 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Honour ==<br />
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I defer to your judgment.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 22:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== New extended version on Wikipedia ==<br />
Hi Balzac, the German featured article BDSM has been translated into Englisch and is now avaible on Wikipedia.<br />
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I believe specialized BDSM wikis like wipipedia and the German http://en.smiki.org/Main_Page are really important to build strong independent projects, supporting the community with decent information on all aspects of the lifestyle. Thanks for all your efforts.<br />
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At the moment the new version is under strong discussion on its talk page and altough I was able to add more than 70 references even more sources are asked for by the copy editors in order to continue. To be quite frank I#m running out of English language sources and hope you or others reading this are able to supply some.<br />
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There are two main fields which need to be sourced more detailed:<br />
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* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM#Scene:_subculture_and_public ("Today, the BDSM culture exists in most western countries.[citation needed]") --> This is really hard to proof, do you have a (link)list or literature on this?<br />
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* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM#Prejudices ("There is no clear correlation between the position in everyday life and BDSM preferences.")<br />
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It is tough as well, do you know any sources compiling the prejustices?<br />
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I general... you and other experts are highly welcome to take part in the discussion, please spread the word. ;-)<br />
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Kind Regards from the alps.<br />
[[User:Nemissimo|Nemissimo]] 11:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
: "Today, the BDSM culture exists in most western countries.[citation needed]" - Skin Two magazine.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 15:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Stories policy==<br />
While I recognise your greater status in setting policy here, I think that as an active admin, I am at least owed an explanation for you [http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php?title=Stories&diff=14408&oldid=14406 removing text] I put in to protect individuals and LFS. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 19:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry, that was a complete mistake on my part. I had planned just to remove the dead links to the story you had deleted, I must have removed to extra text by mistake.. I think your text is a very senible policy and I will revert the text. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 19:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I've just checked and actually it was LinD who removed the text, not me (phew, off the hook on that one :-)) [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 19:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh, yes, sorry. We could all do without behaviour of his current kind. I suggest if we have any more trouble, we simply ban him. This ''cannot'' become a site for people's personal feelings to overrun themselves. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 20:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Simplfied GFDL tempates ==<br />
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Toy do realize, to be GFDL complaint those templates that you are simple MUST explicitly state they are GFDL right? --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 09:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Adding the GFDL licence to every instance of the template makes it messy. I feel that we follow the spirit of the licence and as far as I can see we follow the letter as well. We state on the front page if the Wipipedia that everything published here is under the GFDL licence which I think covers us. Finally, I don't think that anyone is likely to sue anyone over this sort of thing. If an author thas a complant we will of course try to address it, or remove the text. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 10:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: Actually you're not following the letter at all in this case, that is actually the biggest complaint against GFDL (and which is why a lot of people prefer Creative Commeons) is that the a copy of the license must me given with EVERY usage. So if you give some a printed out copy of an page you must also give them a copy of the 3-4 page license document (see [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License#2. VERBATIM COPYING|VERBATIM COPYING]] ) --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure looking at the BMZine what licence if any the wiki is published under. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 10:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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We have a few photos where the license is "Permission to use on Wipipedia", which means that people cannot copy them. That is inconsistent with GFDL. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 13:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: True, but I I don't think anyone will complain if there is the odd inconsistancy. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 14:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Made {{Tl|Permission}} for this case --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 17:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== &lt;Gallery&gt; colours ==<br />
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The default skin needs to either chance .gallery or .gallerytext away from White , as it it right now they are both white, hence hiding the text. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I was wondering when somebody would spot that deliberate mistake!!! Text should work in galleries now. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 20:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I'm afraid not, see [[School roleplay]] --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 20:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Works for me (the text in the gallery box). Did you click refresh to reload the style sheet? You may be using the old version cached in your browser. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 22:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: I did. I assumed when it started working shortly after that you had continued working on it. as it now works --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 23:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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While we are talking about it, can i make a suggestion? We are currently using<br />
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as the color scheme instead? (have trouble matching looks when I can't use the div tag 8/ )--<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 00:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== <ref></ref> ==<br />
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A user has found that this feature has not been implemented here. Is it easy to do so?--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 18:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Some persisting errors==<br />
On any image which has more than one uploaded version, it tries to display the old versions and fails, with errors (e.g. http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php?title=File:Kajira-kef.png etc...) -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 22:23, 20 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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Will try to get it fixed B<br />
: I can't upload a photo at all. I get message: Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/b/ba".--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] ([[User talk:Ropeuser|talk]]) 23:18, 21 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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<div>'''Hourglass corset''' is a generic term for [[corset]]s that produce a silhouette resembling the hourglass shape: wide bottom, narrow waist ("wasp waist"), wide top.<br />
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There are two distinct sorts. With a modern hourglass corset, the stomach is '''over''' the waist. With a Victorian hourglass corset, the stomach is '''in''' the waistline.<br />
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==See also==<br />
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{{Corset}}<br />
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{{Wikipedia|Hourglass corset}}<br />
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<div>[[Image:Traning_corset1.jpg|thumb|left|100px|Discipline Training Bondage Corset 1950s]]<br />
[[Image:Traning_corset2.jpg|thumb|100px|Discipline Training Bondage Corset 1950s]]<br />
A '''training corset''' in a BDSM context is a [[corset]] used for [[discipline]].<br />
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Also, the term ''training corset'' may simply refer to a corset which is used to acclimate the body prior to wearing a full corset as an everyday undergarment, or to any corset worn by somebody undertaking training (achieving a desired body shape), often called a '''redresseur corset'''.<br />
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==Waist training corsets==<br />
Waist training, or waist reduction, generally uses an [[hourglass corset]]. Waist reduction is most often used by women who are post-pregnancy or by [[tightlacer]]s.<br />
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No structural features distinguish a modern waist training corset from a corset worn as an external garment for special occasions. Training corsets are always made from strong fabric or [[leather (material)|leather]] and with relatively inflexible boning (not all corsets are strong enough to mould a body). A training corset is designed to be used every day, and will probably be hidden under clothing, so it is likely that practical aspects (comfort, ease of laundering, etc.) will have been stressed in its construction over aesthetic ones.<br />
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Any style of corset can be used for waist training, although some styles are more popular and suitable than others. However, as the corsets necessary to maintain a body modification are no less rigid than those first worn to achieve the modification, there is no effective structural difference between corsets worn during training and those worn once the desired body shape is achieved. The term "training corset" can, therefore, be used for any corset worn by somebody undertaking training.<br />
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==Bondage and discipline corsets==<br />
A training corset is also an alternative name for a discipline corset or [[bondage corset]]. Such a corset is used as a tool for punishment. It is constructed to place severe limitations on the wearer's movements. It generally extends to just above the knees, and is constructed to be laced very tightly. These corsets are often designed to be worn for long periods of time, e.g. overnight and during sleep.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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{{Wikipedia|Training_corset}}<br />
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[[Category:Fetish]]<br />
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<div>[[Image:Rote Korsett.jpg|thumb|right|Waist cinch from rear]]<br />
[[Image:VO02604-m-lrgVO02604.jpg|thumb|right|Vollers corset from front]]<br />
A '''waist cincher''' ('''waist cinch''', '''waist nipper''' or '''waspie''') is a short [[corset]] that only covers the waist and midriff, so it reduces the waist without covering the chest.<br />
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They typically have the same construction as a full size corset, as opposed to a [[corset belt]] or '''waspie belt''' that is constructed as a wide belt.<br />
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The term '''waspie''' comes from the idea that it gives the wearer a wasp waist.<br />
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==See also==<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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A '''Tightlacer''' is someone, most typically female, who regularly practises [[tightlacing]].<br />
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Some people choose tightlacing from aesthetic reasons. Some do this to improve the figure, while others have a goal to achieve an extra-narrow, "wasp waist". This can be very important for some male to female [[transvestite]]s, for whom achieving a feminine figure is a key requirement.<br />
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Some people enjoy the physical sensations of tightlacing.<br />
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Some tightlacers become psychologically dependent on the tight [[corset]] or belt.<br />
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The term tightlacer is generally used for someone who sleeps in a corset, or wears it most of the time. It is also used for men from wear corsets.<br />
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== List of well-known tightlacers ==<br />
* Lillie Langtry c. 1890<br />
* Polaire about 1914, 13 or 14 in (330 to 360 mm)<br />
* Ethel Granger about 1930-50, 13 in (330 mm)<br />
* Spook 2003, 14 in (360 mm) [http://www.staylace.com/pinups/spook/index.html]<br />
* Sylphide 2002 15 in (380 mm) [http://www.sylphide.de/]<br />
* Cathie Jung [http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery15/kathyjungsilvercorset/]<br />
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== See also ==<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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{{Wikipedia|Tightlacer}}<br />
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<div>[[Image:310px-Cathie Jung.jpg|right|thumb|Cathie Jung (born 1937), wearing a sterling silver corset, holds the Guinness World Record for the smallest waist on a living person, at 38.1 centimetres.]]<br />
'''Tightlacing''' (also called '''corset training''' and '''waist training''') is the practice of wearing a tightly-laced [[corset]] to achieve extreme modifications to the figure and posture and experience the sensations of a very tight corset. Those who practice tightlacing are called [[tightlacer]]s. Some tightlacers call the corsets they wear [[training corset]]s.<br />
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==Description==<br />
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The most frequent aim of tightlacing is waist reduction. Depending on the silhouette desired (hourglass, wasp waist, and pipe-stem waist are the most common), the shape of the ribcage may be altered as well. Wearing a corset can also change the bustline, by raising the [[breast]]s upwards and shaping them, flattening the stomach, and improving posture. However, these effects are only temporary and will be lost on removing the corset. Indeed, excessive corset wearing has been claimed to weaken certain muscles, making it more difficult to maintain posture without a corset.<br />
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Although some tightlacers aim to get their waists as small as possible, others prefer to reduce their waists to a certain point and go not further (even though they could), as they consider that proportion and aesthetics are more important than achieving the smallest possible measurement. This can be important to male-to-female [[transvestite]]s, who often seek to get a realistic feminine figure rather than a wasp waist.<br />
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== Tightlacing today ==<br />
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Modern tightlacing is a minority interest, often associated with [[sexual fetishism|fetishistic interest]] in the corset and [[BDSM]]. The majority of tightlacers are women, although some men do tightlace (see in particular [[cross-dressing]]) &ndash; corsetier Mr Pearl has a nineteen-inch waist.<br />
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Tightlacers typically wear a corset for at least 12 hours a day, every day, when they are most active, although some tightlacers wear corsets for up to 23 hours a day, taking the corset off only in order to bathe.<br />
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Tightlacers usually have a partner, called a trainer, to help and support them. However, it is possible (although very difficult) for somebody to tightlace without a partner. (Tightlacers are often&mdash;but not necessarily&mdash;in a sexual and/or loving relationship with their trainer.)<br />
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A partner might take on any of the following tasks:<br />
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* help the tightlacer put on and take off the corset, especially tightening the laces<br />
* help him or her follow through with the training schedule<br />
* monitor the tightlacer's health<br />
* monitor body changes and keep a log<br />
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==Effects of tightlacing on the body==<br />
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Contemporary tightlacers claim that tightlacing does not adversely affect the health, as was believed in the later Victorian era. Certainly, there are no contemporary medical sources condemning tightlacing, and the continued good health of modern day extreme tightlacers would seem to demonstrate that the practice is not dangerous&mdash;''if properly done''.<br />
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A safe training routine begins with the use of a well-fitted corset (most serious tightlacers have at least one custom&ndash;tailored corset) and very gradual decreases in the waist circumference. Lacing too tight too fast can cause extreme discomfort and potential short-term problems such as shortness of breath and faintness, indigestion, and chafing of the skin.<br />
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The primary effect of tightlacing is the decreased size of the waist. The smallest waist recorded is that of Ethel Granger, who tightlaced for most of her life and achieved a waist of thirteen inches: a reduction of over ten inches. Such extreme reductions take a very long time to achieve. At first, corsets with waist measurements four inches smaller than the tightlacer's natural waist size are recommended. The length of time it will take a tightlacer to get used to this reduction will vary on his or her physiology; a large amount of fat on the torso and strong abdominal muscles will mean that it takes longer for the tightlacer to wear their corset laced closed at the back. Thereafter, reducing another couple of inches is not much more difficult, but each inch after a six inch reduction can take a year to achieve.<br />
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The diminished waist and tight corset reduce the volume of the torso. This is sometimes reduced even further by styles of corset that force the torso to taper towards the waist, which pushes the lower ribs inwards. As a consequence, internal organs are moved closer together and out of their original positions in a way similar to the way that a pregnant woman's expanding uterus causes the organs to be displaced.<br />
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The volume of the lungs diminishes and the tightlacer tends to breathe intercostally&mdash;that is, with the upper portion of the lungs only, rather that the whole. Intercostal breathing is what gives the image of "heaving bosoms". Due to the lower portion of the lungs being used less there may be a mucosal build-up there; a slight and persistent cough is the sign of the body trying to clear this (and might also have lead to the Victorian hypothesis that corsets caused tuberculosis).<br />
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The liver is pressed upwards. As it continually renews itself, it adapts to fit its new position, and in a long-term tightlacer it might develop ridges where it rests against the ribs. It is also possible that tightlacing exacerbates the tendency of some livers to develop accessory lobes, to the point where the accessory lobe becomes as large as the main portion of the liver. The point where the lobe and liver connect can be quite thin, and again, this might have lead to one of the Victorian myths about tightlacing: that a tightlacer can wear her corset so tight that it "cuts" her liver in half.<br />
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The compression of the stomach reduces its volume, and tightlacers find that eating too much gives them indigestion and heartburn; foods like carbonated drinks and beans can easily cause trapped wind. The compression of the intestines can cause constipation. Many tightlacers will alter their diet in order to avoid these problems.<br />
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Few permanent and serious effects have been attributed to tightlacing; even fewer of them have been proved. Theoretically, it is possible to fracture the ribs through tightlacing, although the necessary pressure would be brutal and the tightlacer would feel acute pain&mdash;certainly enough to let him/her know that something was wrong and that he/she should loosen the corset.<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Body modification]]<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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==External links==<br />
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* [http://www.corsetheaven.com/corsets/corset.asp Tightlacing articles, information and advice]<br />
* [http://www.staylace.com/medicaladvice/med2cthb.htm Staylace.com, the website of the Long Island Staylace Association (LISA)] has some further information on the medical considerations and effects of tightlacing. <br />
* [http://www.waspcreations.com/faq.htm Corsetier talks about effects of tightlacing]<br />
* [http://www.geocities.com/ther_over/index.html Overview of modern day return of corseting and tightlacing]<br />
*[http://www.corsetinformation.com Corset information]<br />
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===Tightlacers===<br />
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* [http://www.corsets.de/node13.html About Polaire, famous early tightlacer].<br />
* [http://www.geocities.com/ther_over/polaire.htm Photos of Polaire].<br />
* [http://www.ethelgranger.com/ Website for Ethel Granger, who reduced to a 13-inch waist]. <br />
* [http://www.cathiejung.com/index.html Website for Cathie Jung, modern tightlacer].<br />
* [http://www.anvil-bdsm.com/deferre/dungeon/corsetry/corset.html Lesbian BSDM]<br />
* [http://www.lgm-club.de/index.htm Les Gracieuses Modernes, the European Corset Society] <br />
* [http://www.corsetted.com/ .c.o.r.s.e.t.t.e.d.]<br />
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===Against tightlacing===<br />
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* [http://haabet.dk/patent/The_corset/index.html THE CORSET, questions of pressure and displacement.] A medical report from 1887.<br />
* [http://www.victorianflair.net/VictorianCorsets.html Victorian Corsets]<br />
* [http://www.fathom.com/course/21701733/session2.html The Corset Controversy]<br />
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==References==<br />
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Valerie Steele, ''The Corset: A Cultural History''. Yale University Press, 2001, ISBN 0300099533. <br />
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<div>'''Hourglass corset''' is a generic term for [[corset]]s that produce a silhouette resembling the hourglass shape: wide bottom, narrow waist ("wasp waist"), wide top.<br />
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There are two distinct sorts. With a modern hourglass corset, the stomach is '''over''' the waist. With a Victorian hourglass corset, the stomach is '''in''' the waistline.<br />
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==See also==<br />
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*[[Waist cincher]]<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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{{Wikipedia|Hourglass corset}}<br />
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{{stub}}<br />
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<div>A true [[Corset]] will always have the laces tightened at the natural waist (usually this is the bottom of the ribcage, for an hourglass corset). If yours has laces pulled tight at the top or bottom, it is a [[basque]], or other designed top. The function of a corset is to make the waist smaller, and this cannot be achieved by straight lacing up or down. It makes no difference if your corset opens at the front or not.<br />
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If your corset is unlaced for whatever reason, and you are unsure of how to re-lace, then follow these instructions.<br />
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Lacing a corset is not like lacing a shoe; such lacing pattern gives uneven and potentially damaging tension, so be careful! You can start at either top or bottom.<br />
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A good standard lace length is 4 metres (about 12 feet); but if you have two laces, you can start one at the bottom and one at the top, and have them meet in the middle. Tying them together can work, but there is always the possibility of the knot coming undone or loosening, which can compromise the snugness of the initial lacing.<br />
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#Unless the corset is lined with a modesty panel, make sure the corset-wearer has something beneath the corset, to prevent the laces pinching.<br />
#Start by threading the lace through the top- or bottom-most pair of holes. At this time, the ends should come UP from the holes. Pull the laces even, and pull them slightly snug, but not tight.<br />
#Put the ends of the laces DOWN into the next pair of holes.<br />
#Put the ends of the laces UP into the next pair of holes.<br />
#Repeat steps 3 and 4. You should end up with X's, not V's.<br />
#You can lace all the way to the top/bottom (do not tighten yet!), and tie a double-knotted bow or a square knot. <br />
#Go back to the X that is positioned over the natural waist, usually the bottom of the ribcage. <br />
#Take hold of the loops and pull, letting your wearer 'settle' as the corset tightens. Settling refers to positioning the ribcage correctly (i.e. the contour of the ribs follows the contour of the corset) in the stays, and in the case of those who have them, adjusting the breasts.<br />
#Once 'settling' is done, tighten the corset. Tie a square knot with the loops when you are done. If you are into tight-lacing, you may let the wearer grow used to the initial tightness, before tightening more. However, the corset should not be painful at any time. A snug and dominating embrace of canvas and boning, is what a corset should generally feel like.<br />
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==Other Tips==<br />
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* While expensive, better results are always achieved with a custom-fitted corset. However, lacing any corset properly will ensure a better fit than the off-the-rack shoe-lacing.<br />
* If the wearer has large breasts and wishes the corset to replace a brassiere, an over-bust corset with substantial boning should be used. As well, usually a back-lacing corset works better for those with larger chests.<br />
* If one can bend the boning easily, it will probably not withstand the rigours of regular use. Likewise, the corset should be made of canvas or material of similar strength (many reputable corsetières use a layer of canvas between layers of more decorative fabrics such as silk brocade).<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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* [[Fetish Fashion]]<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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[[Category:Advice]]<br />
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<div>[[Image:Corset Belt Buckled on Second Hole 29 inches.jpg|thumb|right|Corset belt from Designer Leathercraft]]<br />
A '''corset belt''' or '''waspie belt''' is a very wide [[belt]] that can be pulled very tight, thus acting as a sort of [[corset]]. It is generally worn over clothing, hence used as an ornament as well as a corset.<br />
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It differs from a [[waist cinch]] or short corset in that it buckles up (with a very large buckle, or multiple buckles on narrow straps across the front) rather than lacing up. Occasionally, the buckle is at the back.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Bondage belt]]<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* [http://designs.designerleathercraft.co.uk/html/corset_belt_buckles.html Corset belt from Designer Leathercraft]<br />
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<div>[[File:Man in corset.jpg|thumb|right]]<br />
'''Corset training''' means training a [[victim]] to wear [[corset]]s.<br />
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If the victim is male, this may be regarded as a form of [[cross-dressing]], since corsets are generally regarded as a female garment. It may involve discomfort and even pain, given the restrictive nature of corsets.<br />
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This type of play can often be a part of a [[forced feminisation]] [[scene]] or even a [[French maid|maid]]-training [[roleplay]].<br />
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Corset training involves [[tightlacing]]. The most frequent aim of tightlacing is a slim waist. Depending on the silhouette desired, the shape of the ribcage may be altered as well. Wearing a corset can also change the bustline, by raising the [[breast]]s upwards and shaping them, flattening the stomach, and improving posture. However, these effects are only temporary and will be lost on removing the corset. Indeed, excessive corset wearing has been claimed to weaken certain muscles, making it more difficult to maintain posture without a corset.<br />
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Although some tightlacers aim to get their waists as small as possible, others prefer to reduce their waists to a certain point and go no further as they consider that proportion and aesthetics are more important than achieving the smallest possible measurement. For example, cross-dressing males may seek to make a more feminine-appearing waistline through tightlacing, but do not want to make their waists too small, as this would look unnatural.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
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* [[Cross-dressing]]<br />
* [[Forced feminisation]]<br />
{{Corset}}<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* [http://www.staylace.com/medicaladvice/med2cthb.htm Medical advice on Staylace]<br />
* [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tight-lacing Book on Wikisource]<br />
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<div>'''Corset articles:'''<br />
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* [[Bondage corset]] or ''discipline corset''<br />
* [[Corset belt]]<br />
* [[Hourglass corset]]<br />
* [[Tightlacer]]<br />
* [[Training corset]]<br />
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* [[Corset]]<br />
* [[Corset training]]<br />
* [[How do I tie a corset?]]<br />
* [[Tightlacing]]<br />
* [[Waist cincher]]<br />
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<div>==Copyright==<br />
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===Images===<br />
I have just seen an [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Armbinder.jpg image] from here on Wikimedia. It has the [[GNU Free Documentation License]] attributed to it (user:Balzac) '''even though the image doesn't say so on this site'''. It IS reasonable to assume that unless an image has anything specific, it falls under the site's overall licence but I am not sure this is so in every case and I feel we really must go through all the images we have on this site putting copyright notices on them ALL. There are [[Help:templates|templates]] to assist. We might otherwise be exposed to quite severe penalties. I can start going through them myself but unless there is some annotation, the best I could do is remove the image (perhaps first putting it in a new category "''about to be deleted''" for a while). --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 07:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Non-consensuality vs BDSM==<br />
With all the publicity around about forced-labour and forced prostitution etc. I have little doubt that some people looking for links about <b>non</b>consensual slavery will end up on this site. It occurs to me that we should have a page on it, distancing this site and BDSM generally and pointing to other sites such as the BBC (I have the link somewhere) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery etc.<br />
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What does anyone else reckon and does anyone want to start it? I'm not sure what title for the topic would be best.<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:08, 11 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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Take a peek at [[slavery]] and see what you think. I don't think the site needs to take such a negative stance with something that is generally accepted (outside of BDSM anyways) to be an illegal activity. It's assumed outside the BDSM lifestyle that slavery is socially unacceptable. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 05:47:11, 2005-12-26 (GMT)<br />
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==Topic Labels - abbreviations or not?==<br />
Please see [[Talk:Safe, sane, and consensual]] for proposals I have in this area.<br />
--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 19:10, 28 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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==Topic Labels - Singular or plural==<br />
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We currently have a mixture. What is the 'correct' ruling for this? [[Cane]], [[Dildo]] and [[Paddle]] but [[Blindfolds]], [[Spreader bars]] and [[Violet wands]]. I can understand some things remaining 'plural' even if we have singular - [[Handcuffs]] for example because we don't use 'handcuff' as a noun. Similarly, if we go plural, some things will make easier reading in the singular, such as [[St Andrews cross]]. Nevertheless, I think it would make easier navigating and linking if we were consistent.<br />
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Again, much easier if we sort this out now rather than wait until there's many more links. Any ideas?<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 16:51, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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I try (most of the time) to use the singular. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 17:19, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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:Someone has already moved all three of your 'plural' pages to the 'singular' form. I've gone to the old redirect pages and redirected the links directly to the singular form of the word. I think that you should be bold and change any plurals that you think should be changed to the singular form. It doesn't take long to move a page from 'Blindfolds' to 'Blindfold' and it doesn't take long to hunt down the small number of pages that link to the old page. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 22:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: If the plural article exists, with a redirect from the singular, sometimes the software won't let you rename the plurl to the singular unless you're an admin. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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There are always redirects. I know they are a pain in the @ss, but they are very effective in keeping people from getting lost. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 05:50:07, 2005-12-26 (GMT)<br />
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: The pretty standard wiki convention is Article use singular when possible, as <nowiki>[[Paddle]]s</nowiki> becomes [[Paddle]]s, where it is much more annoying to go the other way (i.e. <nowiki>[[Spreader bars|Spreader bar]]</nowiki> )<br />
: Where as Categories use Plural. --[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] 18:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Technical flaw==<br />
I repeatedly found that the Search/Go functions did NOT contain the clickable link to start creating an article (just some coe, probably with a small but critical error in it), while that is still possible if one first creates a 'red link' in an existing article, so the actual creation routine must still be valid - probably a small task for an expert, but greatly needed! [[User:Kosmetès|Kosmetès]] 19:17:50, 2005-11-20 (GMT)<br />
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Thanks for pointiong that out. We upgraded to a new version of the software recently, there must still be some bugs to iron out! [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 23:12, 20 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Fixed it. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:32, 24 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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==Copying from Wikipedia==<br />
Now that this encyclopaedia is established, I really don't think there is benefit in copying vast amounts from Wikipedia, especially without any alterations to change the point-of-view, or to add anything specifically Fetish or BDSM to the content. Wikipedia will always have a greater number of readers and editors than this encyclopaedia and so will always be able to be better and more informative on the 'standard' aspects of things. I think there is far better value in letting Wikipedia handle the main topic (such as [[cat o'nine tails]]) while this encyclopaedia just handles the specific aspects of Fetish/BDSM and puts that perspective and meaning on topics. After all, if I wanted to really know the 'standard' definition and use of some word, I will use Wikipedia. I come here - and edit/contribute here - for the Fetish & BDSM context or information.<br />
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As a further note, we must ensure that we credit Wikipedia whenever we use copy from there, in accordance with the terms of its licence. See the template [[Template:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] and its [[Template_talk:Wikipedia|discussion page]].<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:53, 24 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Any chance of a bit more, well, community?<br />
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The community talk page is empty and hasn't been edited since November<br />
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I can't find any list of admins to talk to regarding general newbie questions and stuff<br />
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Come on, this could be so great a project if people pulled together a bit more.<br />
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--[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:17, 24 December 2005 (GMT) ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle The same Mistress Selina Kyle from Wikipedia])<br />
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>>>> P.S. Clicking the link above incorrectly displays that you're still on the '''Wipipedia''' website in the address bar, not '''Wikipedia''' - I guess this is because you are using frames to hide the lfhosting address - maybe you should make it so external links open automatically in a new window to avoid opening in a frame, or use "a href="whatever" target="_top"> to make it open ignoring the frame as a proper link.<br />
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alternately you might want to set up your website DNS to point directly to lfhosting instead of simply having a "frame" page on wipipedia.org that displays the real site, lfhosting in the frame: talk to your host if you don't know how to do this :)<br />
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Yeah, I know I'm clever. Thank me later. ;) :p --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:20, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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'''''Above message also on [[Talk:Main Page]] in hopes someone'll see it!''''' --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:22, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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== User Templates/Userboxes ==<br />
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I'm a member of the wikipedia userbox project (See[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Userboxes Wikiproject Userboxes]) and I think it might be a good idea to set up our own templates here, so that we can easily say what sexual fetishes etc we have, like or like to have. I've already got an idea to seperate the templates into topics, such as [[Alt Sex]], [[BDSM]], [[Bondage]], [[Clubs]], [[Fetishes]], [[Toys]] and [[Wipipedia]]. I created a link for it, [[WipiProject: Userboxes]]. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 07:06, 24 May 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Wikipedia article on Wipipedia proposed for deletion ==<br />
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[[Wikipedia]] is thinking of deleting the article for [[Wikipedia:Wipipedia|Wipipedia]]. The article may be deleted on 23 June 2006 if the article is not improved. Please help improve our article! [[User:ISD|ISD]] 17:53, 18 June 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:I can't see how amending the article would help. They say it's a good article, but that this site is insufficiently notable to be worth an article. The thing to do is to get everyone we know who is a Wikipedia editor to say that it is a notable site. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 21:39, 18 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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The article has been kept! Thanks to everyone who helped save it. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 06:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Pornographic images==<br />
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We have had a number of posts of pornographic images to the site and I think we need to agree a policy regarding this. I have no problem with porn as such, and this is an adult orientated site but we do not have a splash screen warning users that they may come across pornographic images. It is also a UK hosted site so comes under UK jurisdiction in terms of obscene publication laws. My feeling is we should limit any images to softcore only and there must be a clear statement about the licence of any image uploaded to protect us against any possible claims from the image owner. Opinions please. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 17:29, 8 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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I'm comfortable with the images already posted. I feel that as long as the copyright is mentioned, then it is alright to post them. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 20:45, 8 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Wiki for Porn==<br />
Some of you might be interested to know that I'm working on [http://wikiforporn.org Wiki for Porn], it's a GFDL licensed Wiki, well, you guessed it, for porn. We will probably have some more explicit material on the site. And, since it's GFDL, some articles will be based on Wipipedia articles. It might even be cool to set up interwiki links on articles that are available on both wikis. [[User:Fantasia|Fantasia]] 08:24, 5 November 2006 (GMT)<br />
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==Fuck==<br />
Why is this word "nothing to do with BDSM" (and therefore deleted)? I thought [[User:MineShaft|MineShaft's]] final version was quite good (sorry, only admin can see deleted pages), linking as it did to three valid topics in Wipipedia and being synoptic (though perhaps the first sentence (opinion) could be removed). BDSM and fetish is, for many, largely about sensuality/sexuality and fucking is a major culmination of sexual activity. I'm all for un-deleting, ''at least until we can have a debate over it''. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 07:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:It's been deleted before. However, this is a community endeavour and if others want the article restored, please go ahead.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It has been restored and so far no-one has put any discussion on it about deletion. Maybe it will stay? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 05:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I've decided after much thought that I'm indifferent. It is probably slightly out of scope for Wipipedia, but some people would expect to find an article like it.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 14:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Re-fuck article [[Fuck]]; I will improve the fucking article. So bring it back; I promise to make it S&M sick.--[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 05:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Hard core porn images ==<br />
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We need copyright-free porn images to decorate our articles. For instance, I want some hard core [[scat fisting]] pix (been there, done that, but forgot to take Polaroids). I do have some Polaroids of me wrecked with five needles in each tit. Forgot to sign, so I do: --[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:We need to ensure that nothing breaches English obscenity laws, or there might be legal action against us. I would certainly delete anything I thought might get us into trouble. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 10:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Namespace==<br />
I've seen a couple of pages which I think belong in the Wipipedia: or Help: namespace. I haven't moved them since I'm still a little vague about what really belongs where, and why. However, both [[Editing policy]] and [[Edit wars]] are to do with maintaining the encyclopeadia rather than being content that belongs IN it. Should they be moved, and where? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 09:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I've moved Edit wars to Wipipedia space; I'm not sure about Editing policy.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 10:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Delete [[Maeoniae]]==<br />
I'm not even sure of the procedure to start a deletion discussion here, but the guy who started the article never really replied to my comments on [[Talk:Maeoniae]], and I very strongly suspect the whole thing is completely bogus. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 17:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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In my opinion it is a complete hoax, but to the author's credit, it is very well done. I added the section with the link to the wikipedia deletion discussion. Personally I am happy to leave it up as a bit of fun, providing we are not trying to pass it off un challenged. But if there is a consensus to delete then I won't object. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 21:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I'm in two minds about it and happy to go either way. On the general issue, I could easily start a VfD page.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 22:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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We don't have a specific procedure to propose deletions and, given the mess that Wikipedia is in some areas, I'm not sure that is such a bad thing on a smaller-scale encyclopedia like this: the talk pages should suffice. I've added my comments about deleting [[Maeoniae]] at [[Talk:Maeoniae]]<br />
. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 09:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I just think that if we want to keep it as an example of marvelous bullshit, then we should move it to "Story:Maeoniae" or whatever, and remove all pretenses and claims to encyclopedicity. I'm not sure that a brief header which vaguely casts suspicion on the article is quite adequate. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Moved it to "Story:". [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:17, 31 March 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Uploading images == <br />
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I don;t know if this is the right place, but i extended the articcle about chastity belts by copying the wikipedia=page. Problem: why aren't the pics visible? Where/how to load them? <br />
Please let me know: chastityslave22@hotmail.com, so i can correct this.<br><br />
{Comment by Chastityslave, 16:58, 7 May 2007}<br />
:I've had to revert you. We shouldn't just delete our article and replace it with the Wikipedia one. To upload photos, put them on your hard disk and click on "Upload file" on the list at the left of the screen.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 18:33, 7 May 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Forced homosexuality ==<br />
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Much to my disappointment, I can't find any articles on forced homosexuality [[User:Faustus Tacitus|Faustus Tacitus]] 23:29, 5 June 2007 (BST)<br />
:We tend to deal only with consensual activity here.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 18:58, 9 June 2007 (BST)<br />
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::Surely, BDSM forced homosexuality is a matter of "consensual non-consent" and the consensual aspect is not a reason for it not to appear. I would suppose that we simply haven't had anyone interested enough in the topic to even put in a few words about it. Why Faustus Tacitus hasn't done so is a puzzle to me. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 05:50, 14 June 2007 (BST)<br />
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==Categories==<br />
I think it is over time that we looked at our category structure. I have no wish to upset anyone with criticisms but I have a number of issues with the structure as it stands:<br />
* Some categories hardly ever stand on their own, always being with another. E.G. where there is [[:Category:Bondage]], there is almost always [[:Category:BDSM]]; this is a wasteful and confusing duplication.<br />
* Some sub-categories don't make much sense. E.G. we have [[:Category:BDSM equipment]] subset to [[:Category:Bondage]] even though not all under BDSM equipment is to do with bondage.<br />
* Far too much is under [[:Category:Other_Topics]]. 12 subcategories and 84 articles is, to me, indicative of an incorrect or incomplete structure.<br />
* When considering ''why'' someone might want to use categories (see below), the current structure often fails.<br />
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Points to consider:<br />
* This is an encyclopaedia on BDSM and fetish. We need clear topics explaining what those are (and the relationship between them, which I don't think we have) and should treat those topics as gateways, as they form natural top-level categories (but see below also). Unfortunately, while breaking down BDSM is easy, I personally am unsure how to break down Fetish, and our [[:Category:Fetish|category]] on it doesn't help (Body, Clothing, Objects?).<br />
* We can use categories any way we like and for multiple purposes.<br />
* We can use [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Namespace|namespaces]] and although these may seem more limiting, perhaps we should consider having some custom ones. How about one for ''Advice'' pages and another for ''Personal Experience'' pages?<br />
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There are a number of ways that categorisation might be useful:<br />
# To break down the components of terminology. This may help people who find they are interested in, for example, S&M, to follow a path on that specific category. (This is the easiest structure to build.)<br />
# To highlight an 'effect' path. Some want to understand about relationships, some want to know about sex, others about erotic fun etc.<br />
# To guide and assist newbies (and academic researchers). This would entail enabling them to approach subjects from common starting points, such as kinky sex, bondage, dressing up, role playing etc.<br />
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I'm willing to work up some recommendations for a new category structure '''if''' there is enough interest and a consensus on the ways we want to use categories. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 12:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:You are right to suggest that the categories need an overhaul. They were never fully thought through in the first place and as you say are contredictory and confusing in places. If you are up for suggesting a new structure I would be very supportive. I think what we should do is to map out the structure first, get agreement, and only then implement it. This is something that will take quite some time to do and I do feel that we should not rush in to make wholesale changes without having time to first fully consider any consequences of the changes. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 00:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Before mapping out the structure, we must know what the structure is trying to achieve. I mentioned (above) three ways that categorisation might be useful. I think we should try to cope with them all, even though that may mean that most topics will be under at least three categories, if not four or five. The disadvantage to this is that too complex a category structure may put people off from using it at all. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 16:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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There's no problem with having an article in more than one category. It would be silly to have a dozen categories in an article, but I can't see that happening.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 19:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:For what purposes do we want to use categories? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To allow people to find articles related to the one that they have just seen. If they have read an article on punishment, theyy may wish to see all such articles.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<font color='blue'>I'd like to take on a re-ordering of categories under BDSM. Initially, I'm thinking of creating/moving categories to suit the entire structure. Moving articles would be the second phase. Until the entire job is completed, the wipipedia categorisation will look a bit jumbled: as case of things getting worse before they can get better.<br />
I think that BDSM should be structured as follows:<br />
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Content<br />
:BDSM<br />
::Bondage<br />
::Discipline (rename Punishment to this - or include it under?)<br />
:::Punishment equipment<br />
::Domination and submission (should this remain "D/s"?)<br />
::Sadomasochism<br />
::BDSM equipment<br />
:::Gags<br />
:::Punishment equipment<br />
:::Sex toys<br />
:::Shopping (also under Fetish)<br />
::History (also under Fetish)<br />
also I'd like to bring in two new categories that cut across this hierarchy (do these belong under BDSM?):<br />
:Roleplaying<br />
:Relationships<br />
::: '''Please provide feedback on this proposal.''' --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 20:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</font><br />
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Looks good. Rather than BDSM equipment, should we have Bondage equipment (covering gags of course) and SM equipment? I would argue that sex toys should only be on Wipipedia if they are in one of these categories. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Equipemnt is a tricky area and I don't have a firm opinion. There is equipement used for bondage, for discipline, for S&M. There is also stuff used primarily to enhance D/s (though when I think about this, it is often clothing, and not necessarily fetish clothing). I wonder how often items would overlap these categories if we broke them down. A [[spanking bench]] for example, is something that can be used for restraint (bondage), used in Discipline and used as an aid in S&M. If many itmes would be in all categories there is no point splitting them that way. How about a split between toys and furniture, though? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A split between toys and furniture is cool. I think I was wrong before; for example, dildoes are not necessarily Bondage or SM. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Milowiki==<br />
I had never heard of [http://www.milovana.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Milowiki] until a Google search came up with it (ABOVE Wipipedia - what are we doing wrong?). It appears to be a [http://www.milovana.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=30&limit=100 replica] of 838 pages from here, with the only mention of Wipipedia being on the wiki main page. (I have not put Milowiki on the [[List of AltSex Wikis]] because they don't have anything extra to offer.) I think we should make an approach to them to credit Wipipedia properly, on every topic copied, but didn't want to step on any toes if this is an arrangement with people at LFS. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: They are technically compliant with GFDL, which only requires acknowledgement of the contributors, not Wipipedia itself. Since they have reproduced the whole edit history of each page, they have actually done more than if they had done a cut and paste of the text and just given a link back to the article here. However, it would be courteous to make more acknowledgement. Further, they seem not to have edited since February 2007 so in many cases the articles are not the latest versions. It is thus worrying if they come above us in a Google search.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::this is the first I have heard of it. The Wiki [art appears to be an add on to the site in the same way the the wipi is an add on to LFS (but theye don't seem to be as proctive!) I have no problem with them using our stuff (teh GDFL allows them to do so) but they should creit us correctly (as we do for the wikipedia) [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 21:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
It seems to be a redirect to something else now. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Effect of costumes on women?==<br />
I noticed [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/07/fancy_dress_research/ this article]: "It is rare to find any situation where women drink more than men, and these events tended to have sexualised themes and costumes.". A search on some of the text showed up other pages such as [http://www.physorg.com/news118598891.html this] and [http://www.medindia.com/news/Drinking-Games-and-Themed-Parties-Make-Young-Women-to-Drink-More-31471-1.htm this]. It's all outside my area of knowledge but does anyone want to work any it into a any article? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 12:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Is the suggestion that women drink a lot more when costumed but men don't? Preposterous!--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 12:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Persistent vandal ==<br />
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TrbocCnava, AclioLotrl and RelbaStroc are clearly the same person. They all did the same type of silly vandalism and edited from open proxies. Encyclopedist may also be the same person.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 21:25, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Image problem?==<br />
Uploaded a slightly tweaked version of [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]], and now it doesn't seem to be displaying correctly in article [[Kajira]]. The uploaded image is fine as a PNG, as far as I can tell... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:40, 16 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Tried to delete the "01:10, 4 August 2008" version of [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]] as a preliminary to fixing problems with the recent versions of this image, and couldnt... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 14:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've tried to upload images and found I can't. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 09:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I'm in the same boat --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 18:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, at least [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]] seems to be properly resizing now... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cite ==<br />
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I notice this wipi is lacking the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite] extension that allows <ref></ref> and <references /> you might want to consider adding it. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 18:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the above. Citations would help readers work out exactly which source each fact comes from.<br />
:(Over at Wikipedia, the delitionists are actually attacking articles, specifically because they are badly citated. The anti-delitionists are having a hard time at defending facts, because they are effectively needing to repete the research that the original author did when creating the article under attack.) I don't expect Wipipedia to get its own delitionists, but if anyone researching sex for a degree surfed onto this website, it would be good for them to be able to use the citations inside articles to surf onto research papers and other technical sources of sexual information. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 22:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Just adding some references at the end of the article would help. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: Not really. As you have no clue which fact is being sourced that way. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 00:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: True, but it would be better than nothing and would require no software upgrade. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: It works as a stop gap, but if you have access to the account the wiki is running on it actually rather trivial to install extensions (think plug-in rather than update). --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Broken image in [[Template:User_uniform|Uniform User Template]] ==<br />
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I was surfing around the user templates, when trying to find some that I might want to put onto my user page, and found that the above template had a broken image. The original image <nowiki>[[Image:Uniform.jpg]]</nowiki> was pulled off the wiki because someone withdrew permission.<br />
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As a temporary fix, I've linked the template over to the image from the [[Template:User school|School Uniform User Template]] but in the long term, it might be better if someone could find a new uniform picture to put into the Uniform User Template. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 23:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I've altered that to the photo in [[Uniform fetish]]. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== New category ==<br />
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Think it would be useful to have a centralized category for flags, emblems, symbols, and signals of various kinds... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Yes, that makes sense. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 08:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: How about [[:Category:Symbols]] as the category name? --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Started [[:Category:Symbols and signals]] to try to be comprehensive. It might be good to copy Wikipedia article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_O Ring of O] over here... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: The thing is all signals ''are'' symbols, so it not more comprehend to add it ans a secondary word, even words and letters are symbols for sounds, and words are symbols for concepts and meanings. All the "and signals" adds is possibly of getting the category name wrong. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 21:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::You may be right, but I wasn't sure that people would think that things such as the Hanky Code are "symbols"... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Such unsureness can be elaborated on in the Category description. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 01:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Further category note==<br />
<s>Wonder why we have [[:Category:Men]], but no [[:Category:Women]]? [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
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Scratch that, we did have it, but the category itself was miscategorized... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Sorry I missed that what I work on category structure. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 09:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Merger?==<br />
Articles [[Usenet]] and [[Newsgroup]] should probably be merged and slightly condensed, and the BDSM history aspect further expanded, but I don't really feel up to it at the moment... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 03:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== License Change ==<br />
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With a new version of [[GFDL]] an one time option of changes it [[CC-BY-SA]] was available. Wikipedia and it's sister projects made the switch. I would recommend that we do the same. <br />
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GFDL requires a complete version of the license to be distributed with every copy. (which is ~5 page printout) CC-BY-SA only requires a notice on the license it is under. That later is much more inline with how how this wiki does things. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 21:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: It's a pretty big change and it might have implications for our parent site www.londonfetishscene.com. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 21:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm fairly sure the change has to be ''completed'' by August 1st. I don't like to throw cold water on something which undeniably would have some positive effects, but for a small project like ours, with no staff and no real access to legal advice, unless we have a very enthusiastic volunteer who would be willing to take on quite a bit of work, and has been given access to tinker with the configuration parameters of the Wikimedia software (to change the messages that appear beneath edit forms, etc.), then by far the safest alternative would be simply to do nothing... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 23:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Actually nothing need to be changed software wise. Those pages you pointed out all wiki pages, not software pages. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 23:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::We're currently stretching things by not including a sentence such as "By clicking the submit button, you agree to license your contributions under the GFDL" -- and if we were to do something complex like change to dual licensing without indicating the licensing terms in the edit forms, then we would be stretching even further what is already probably stretched a little bit too far. The change could backfire if it's not done well, and what is really needed is someone willing to work on all the details necessary to make sure it goes well, and for that person to be fairly quickly be given access to change the software configuration parameters (reasonably in advance of the impending deadline). [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Is this change retrospective? If not, it will be very confusing knowing what's GFDL and what's CC. If it is retrospective, could someone ever complain that they had granted GFDL but were not happy about CC? (Some people are perverse.)--[[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 19:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: It is retrospective, but Images are given a separate license to the main text (i.e. images are licensed individually where as the text of the wiki is licensed collectively) So the main things is to only move the wiki's license and leave the individual changes to images up to the owners. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
At a glance, the effects of the GFDL and the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License CC-BY-SA]] are similar. Has anyone looked through them to compare and summarise the differences? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: {{Wikipedia-ref|Wikipedia:Comparison_of_GFDL_and_CC-BY-SA}} <br />
: But the main reason I'm recommended the change is:<br />
:# The GFDL can require front or back cover texts, and force people to preserve invariant sections. The GFDL also requires users to "Preserve any Warranty Disclaimers" such as Wikipedia's General disclaimer for example.<br />
:# The GFDL absolutely requires that distribution be accompanied by the full text of the license (much like its sister for software, the GPL)<br />
: Both of which we are lax on complying with. But CC-BY-SA requirements matches our current practices --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A lot of our photos were copied from [[Wikimedia Commons]], [[SMiki]] Commons and [[Latexwiki]] under GFDL so we'd have to change our licensing if they do. I fear though that SMiki Commons is dead. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Well just rembed Photo will be case by case changes --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 01:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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There appear to be several misconceptions here. First, the change is from GFDL to '''dual licensing''', so that an end-user will be able to choose either GFDL or CC-SA (whichever is most convenient or preferred). The GFDL is not going away. So this means that photos at Wikimedia Commons will never have fewer licensing options than they had before. They may have additional licensing options, but the ones that existed previously will still be there.<br />
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Second, all that about GFDL "invariant sections" and "cover texts" is really irrelevant for us here. We can choose to reject contributions whose uploaders insist on "invariant sections" and/or "cover texts", and that's the end of it. No contributor can force "invariant section" or "cover text" provisos onto content generated by any other contributor.<br />
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Third, text contributions are in fact licensed by the individual editors (that's the point of including the license terms in the edit forms).<br />
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Fourth, on Wikimedia Foundation wikis (Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons), traditionally every page has linked to [[GFDL]], and there also have been links to image description pages and article edit history pages -- and for a number of years, this was considered "good enough" in sastifying the GFDL requirements, as long as the GFDL-licensed information stayed on the Wiki (if the content were to be copied to another publicly-accessible website, that might be another matter).<br />
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Fifth, Smiki Commons kind of lost most of its point when the English Smiki site never gained momentum, but if you have a serious concern about Smiki Commons, then you can leave a message on the talk page of the main page of Smiki.de (i.e. http://www.smiki.de/Diskussion:Hauptseite ) and there's good chance of receiving a reply. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: It this forth point that key. Because LOOK at our pages... WE don't do this. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 02:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::If this site is not in full technical compliance with GFDL licensing terms, then switching to dual-licensing will not by itself fix such problems (and the change to dual licensing may involve many additional issues which we are not well-equipped to handle). I recommend that Balzac add the following text to edit forms: ''"By submitting an edit, you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2, 1.3, or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts. Re-users will be required to credit you, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL to the article you are contributing to, and you hereby agree that such credit is sufficient in any medium."'' This will be a significant good-faith gesture towards GFDL compliance... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 16:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Actually on [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Licensing_update_June_19,_2009 further reading] dual licensing is an option, NOT a requirement. You can switch ''fully'' over CC-BY-SA. and the long and the short of is CC-BY-SA IS better for reference material, easier to understand, available in multiple languages (GFDL is only available in American (legal) English), and most important complaince is exactly in line with how we do things. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A complete howto is [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Outreach here]. Thought most of the software steps don't need to be taken, because this this site does not use the standard GFDL settings --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 07:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== copy article (before it gets deleted) from LGBT wikia ==<br />
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http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Barbara_Asher has been nominated for deletion. If you think it would be appropriate for your wiki (Wipipedia), feel free to copy the article to Wipipedia. Article will probably be deleted from LGBT Wikia on Sunday July 25 at 8pm GMT. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 22:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks for the suggestion, but I can't see that it's terribly relevant to our aims.--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 17:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thought it might be of interest to Wipipedia because it seems to me the police attempted to railroad her (without evidence) because she was a dominatrix. However I see only 78 people listed in this wiki's Category:People so I understand Asher is probably not notable enough for Wipipedia. SM201 wiki now has a modified version of the article. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 19:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Cutting down on spam==<br />
I think some versions of Wikimedia software have an option to disallow newly-registered accounts from creating new articles until three or four days have passed. It might be time to ask Balzac about turning on this option... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 14:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Could you post a link to the article or source of your info, I had a look but could not locate anything. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 07:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, it was just something I thought I vaguely remembered from Wikipedia discussions a year or more back (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:User_access_levels/RFC_on_autoconfirmed_status_required_to_create_an_article etc.). Searching now I guess I can't find evidence it was actually implemented in the software, though many people wanted it to be... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 03:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Later extensively discussed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_article_creation_trial , but not actually implemented, as far as I can tell... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 09:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==possible UK copyright change==<br />
Cameron is apparently talking about changing UK copyright laws to include the concept of "fair use"... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 10:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Article Suggestions ==<br />
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One thing I've learned about this website is that I would not really call it a BDSM website. I would call it a sexual education website whose BDSM references are plentiful. So, if you have an article about [[erection]], [[penis]] and [[orgasm]], then why not [[impotent]]? I've heard that word mentioned in many sexual contexts, and I think articles about that would complete it. After all, I believe that Wipipedia is a sexual magazine that applies to both genders and all lifestyles. Most sexual magazines don't believe in fetishes. I personally believe that some of the fetishes are just weird, but I like learning about these things. [[User:Star651|Star651]] 18:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I don't follow what you are saying. Of course there is an article on [[impotence]].--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 09:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Oh sorry. I'm angry at Google. Into Google, I typed:<br />
'''impotent site:londonfetishscene.com/wipi'''<br />
I wasn't sure if the noun was "impotence" or "impotency." Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Star651|Star651]] 18:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==new type of spammer==<br />
[[User:Wantingspecies9]] first uploaded a generic bland image ("Lighthouse.jpg" (a copyright violation, and not on-topic for this site, but unremarkable in visual appearance), and then came back a few days later and added a spam message onto its own user talk page... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 16:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletions==<br />
If no one objects over the next week or so, I'm going to delete [[Cannibalism]] and [[RedTube]] at the end of that time. Two other somewhat weak articles are [[Playboy]] and [[Usenet]]; I'm not planning any action on them at the moment, but would welcome other opinions. (Note that [[Playboy bunny]] is much more relevant to this site than "Playboy" itself...) -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 06:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I can see a weak case for keeping [[Usenet]] but would delete the other three and [[Internet troll]].--[[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 07:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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* ''Playboy'' would be no loss. We're not here to discuss routine soft core pornography. Also, I agree about [[Internet troll]]. In that vein, can I add [[Newsgroup]], [[Hilberting]], [[Internet sock puppet]] and [[Godwin's Law]]. Also, [[Wipipedia:Stuff people do]] is too out of date to be useful; update or delete.--[[User:Markova|Markova]] 17:56, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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* I have no objection to losing any of those. My own least favourite article is [[Jaffa Cake]], which is a rather weak joke.--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 12:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks to all for comments. Based on the discussion, I'll delete "Cannibalism", "RedTube" and "Playboy" in a few days. All the various different Usenet-related stuff (including trolling etc.) should probably be drastically condensed into a single short article, whose main purpose would be to serve as a background to [[alt.sex.bondage]], but I won't get around to it too soon. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the deletions. If it's not too late, can I add "Penthouse Magazine". No logical reason to have that and not "Playboy".--[[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 10:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Flood of new user account registrations==<br />
I don't know what the ultimate strategy is, but this also happened over on the FemDom wiki, and is probably part of some overall automated spamming effort... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 19:22, 23 June 2012 (BST)<br />
: I don't think it's a new flood. It's just that we haven't been able to see it before; following the recent glitch, we have an improved version of the Wiki software. Over at Latexwiki, it's been going on for as long as I've been editing there.--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] ([[User talk:Ropeuser|talk]]) 20:55, 23 June 2012 (BST)<br />
::Maybe we can reinstate the math question before you're allowed to register an account? -- The current situation is kind of annoying... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 14:07, 28 June 2012 (BST)<br />
::: There have certainly been several recent creations of spam pages; I've just deleted three.--[[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] ([[User talk:Ropeuser|talk]]) 08:14, 30 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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==Image uploading problems==<br />
Still getting messages such as <tt>Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/4b".</tt><br />
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I changed the filename so that the first two letters of the MD5 hash would be the same as an image subdirectory which I knew already existed, but still got the message <tt>Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/5/50"</tt> even though there is an image at http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/images/5/50/Ring_der_o.jpg , so the "50" image subdirectory exists... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 11:58, 9 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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===Doesn't thumbnail===<br />
Now managed to upload [[:File:Gorean-Bondage-knot.gif]], but thumbnails don't seem to be generated... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 14:59, 31 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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:For some reason a GIF doesn't thumbnail, but a perfectly-equivalent PNG does. This means that at some point our previously-uploaded GIFs will probably stop working... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]])`<br />
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==Complaint==<br />
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There are two of my images on this site. One is being used correctly, http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/File:27603.jpg, and I had no problem with that.<br />
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The other has been labelled as having a creative commons licence - IT DOES NOT!!! http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/File:Underwater_bondage.jpg <br />
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I do not know what idiot labelled it as being CC, but it does not, and never has had any such licence, and now I have had to spend hours sending legal take down notices all over the net. <br />
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As a result, I am a) seriously pissed off! b) no longer willing to co-operate with this site. <br />
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Remove both images,immediately. ''-- 12:35, 20 May 2013 [[User:Jahc]]''<br />
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<div>'''Babysitter play''' is a type of [[roleplay]] where the [[dominant]] takes the role of a babysitter and the [[submissive]] takes the role of a child. This can allow an [[adult child]] to step out of their typical submissive role to take on the role of the babysitter, without stepping out their own role with their own dominate.<br />
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This kind of roleplay may include elements of [[infantilism|adult baby]] as well as general [[age play]], and would usually involve [[punishment]]s and [[humiliation]] activities.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Age play]]<br />
* [[Infantilism]]<br />
* [[Roleplay]]<br />
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[[Category:AltSex]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sailor_fetishTalk:Sailor fetish2012-12-04T23:37:44Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>Could distinguish things a bit better -- both women and gay men can be attracted to real sailors, or men playing the role who look like they ''could be'' sailors -- whereas heterosexual men are generally attracted to feminine-looking girls in cute little sailor-suit outfits with skirts (whom no one would confuse for a moment with real sailors). The skirted sailor-suit was worn by half the middle-class teenage girls in late Victorian England, and nowadays is associated with Japanese schoolgirls... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
: This should not ignore that children wearing sailor suit wasn't just girls, but boys too, and was started when young Prince Albert was dressed that way --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:53, 4 December 2012 (GMT)<br />
:: The article isn't talking about boys or girls wearing sailor suits. It's merely linking to a reference to Japanese schoolgirls wearing sailor suit type uniforms, which they do, and I don't think Japanese boys do. AnonMoos keeps telling us that we should stick to fetish topics; if we're talking about children in that context, we're veering towards paedophilia.--[[User:Markova|Markova]] ([[User talk:Markova|talk]]) 22:37, 4 December 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:::Roguebfl -- my comment above was about the state of the article as it was over a year ago; I don't think there's any need to change the current article on the basis of those remarks. The last sentence was kind of tossed in as possibly-relevant background information, but any extended discussion of it would probably better go on [[Talk:School uniform fetish]]... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 23:33, 4 December 2012 (GMT)<br />
::::Japanese boys typical wear a uniform based on on a different nation's army, however from a fetish point of view the japanese school uniform is an example of the [[ageplay]] sub group of [[school uniform]], which western boys fall under as much as AnonMoos's mention of Victorian English Girls for the ''same'' time and space, where it was more common for boys than girls. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 23:37, 4 December 2012 (GMT)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sailor_fetishTalk:Sailor fetish2012-12-04T23:36:50Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>Could distinguish things a bit better -- both women and gay men can be attracted to real sailors, or men playing the role who look like they ''could be'' sailors -- whereas heterosexual men are generally attracted to feminine-looking girls in cute little sailor-suit outfits with skirts (whom no one would confuse for a moment with real sailors). The skirted sailor-suit was worn by half the middle-class teenage girls in late Victorian England, and nowadays is associated with Japanese schoolgirls... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
: This should not ignore that children wearing sailor suit wasn't just girls, but boys too, and was started when young Prince Albert was dressed that way --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:53, 4 December 2012 (GMT)<br />
:: The article isn't talking about boys or girls wearing sailor suits. It's merely linking to a reference to Japanese schoolgirls wearing sailor suit type uniforms, which they do, and I don't think Japanese boys do. AnonMoos keeps telling us that we should stick to fetish topics; if we're talking about children in that context, we're veering towards paedophilia.--[[User:Markova|Markova]] ([[User talk:Markova|talk]]) 22:37, 4 December 2012 (GMT)<br />
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:::Roguebfl -- my comment above was about the state of the article as it was over a year ago; I don't think there's any need to change the current article on the basis of those remarks. The last sentence was kind of tossed in as possibly-relevant background information, but any extended discussion of it would probably better go on [[Talk:School uniform fetish]]... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 23:33, 4 December 2012 (GMT)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template_talk:Spanking_Art-refTemplate talk:Spanking Art-ref2012-12-04T20:07:11Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>Could distinguish things a bit better -- both women and gay men can be attracted to real sailors, or men playing the role who look like they ''could be'' sailors -- whereas heterosexual men are generally attracted to feminine-looking girls in cute little sailor-suit outfits with skirts (whom no one would confuse for a moment with real sailors). The skirted sailor-suit was worn by half the middle-class teenage girls in late Victorian England, and nowadays is associated with Japanese schoolgirls... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
: This should not ignore that children wearing sailor suit wasn't just girls, but boys too, and was started when young Prince Albert was dressed that way --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:53, 4 December 2012 (GMT)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=School_roleplaySchool roleplay2012-12-04T19:50:45Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>'''School roleplay''' is a type of [[roleplay]] in which adults take on the [[roleplay|role]] of a schoolboy or schoolgirl (see also [[adult child]]).<br />
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Typically, their partner plays the role of their guardian or authority figure, such as a teacher or headmaster. This allows for a wide range of possible [[punishment]] scenes that are based on stereotypical adult/schoolchild interaction, especially those stricter methods that were once common in the past, such as [[caning]] and [[spanking]]. People who specialise in this [[roleplay]] are [[ageplay]]ers who are occasionally called '''schoolies'''<br />
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Schoolies often wear [[School uniform fetish|school uniform]]s or other childlike clothing, such as [[shorts]] or pleated [[miniskirt]]s, for a more realistic feeling. Men may [[cross-dressing|cross-dress]] as [[schoolgirl uniform fetish|schoolgirls]]; women dressing as boys is less common.<br />
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Guardian/schoolie [[BDSM]] play is in many ways different from [[Master/slave]] play, although both are a form of consensual [[power exchange]].<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
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Image:Schoolgirl fetish.jpg|A female schoolie dressed in a highly sexualised form<br />
Image:LG289MAIN.jpg|A female schoolie in a pinafore dress, with cane<br />
Image:2360778931 e7a835fc9a.jpg|A female schoolie dressed in a highly sexualised form<br />
Image:Rogue uniform.jpg|A male schoolie re-creating his old summer term school uniform<br />
Image:5960501645 75fff8e663 o.jpg|Man dressed as schoolgirl<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[School uniform fetish]]<br />
* [[Caning]]<br />
* [[Spanking]]<br />
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* {{Tl|User school}}<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* [http://www.unfettered.co.uk/resources/schoolplay The Difference between Slave Play and School Play] on [[Unfettered]]<br />
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[[Category:D/s]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=File:Rogue_uniform.jpgFile:Rogue uniform.jpg2012-12-04T19:48:20Z<p>Roguebfl: updating link</p>
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<div>[[Image:Marie Kalista.jpg|thumb|right|Fantasy outfit]]<br />
'''Fantasywear''' is a style of clothing, usually including [[lingerie]], that people wear in private usually for living out [[fantasy|sexual fantasies]]. Such costumes are exampled by the outfits ensembles, or by the use of materials such as [[PVC]], [[satin]] or [[rubber]].<br />
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== Sexual fantasies ==<br />
When the partners wear fantasy costumes, they also embrace the different personalities instead of their own. The costumes range from classical attire, as in ancient Greek times, to present day firemen. Many times both partners decide what they want to be, and prepare a rough plot of their locality and shop for their attire and plan for a place and time where they would not be disturbed by others. Sometimes one partner surprises the other by suddenly appearing in a fantasy costume and the rest of the time goes based on their participation. When one partner is more active, usually he or she performs erotic dancing or speaks erotic dialogue as part of the fantasy. See [[role playing]] below.<br />
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== Example costumes ==<br />
* Dancer<br />
* [[Police fetish|Police officer]]<br />
* [[French maid]]<br />
* Fireman<br />
* Ancients (Greek, Roman, Egyptian)<br />
* Secretary<br />
* Businessman<br />
* Fictional characters<br />
* [[Animal transformation fantasy|Animal characters]]<br />
* [[Cheerleader]]<br />
* [[Medical play|Nurse]]<br />
* Soldier<br />
* [[Bunnygirl|Bunny Outfit]]<br />
* Cat Outfit<br />
* [[school uniform fetish|Schoolchild unifrom]] ([[Schoolgirl uniform fetish|Schoolgirl]]s and school boys)<br />
* [[Robot fetish|Fembot]]<br />
* Fräulein<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Striptease]]<br />
* [[Uniform fetish]]<br />
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[[Category:Fetish]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Fetish_clothingFetish clothing2010-03-27T13:26:53Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>'''Fetish clothing''' includes any type of clothing and clothing material which is commonly used as a [[fetish]].<br />
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It is possible for almost any item of clothing to be the subject of a fetish. Commonly fetishised types of clothing include [[lingerie]], skin-tight clothing and footwear such as [[ballet boots]] and [[pony boots]]. Commonly fetishized materials include [[leather (material)|leather]], fur, [[satin]], [[rubber]], [[spandex]], [[fishnet]], chainmail and fabrics made from plastics such as [[PVC]].<br />
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The [[uniform fetish|uniforms]] associated with certain occupations are frequently fetishised; for example, [[medical fetishism|nurse]], [[French maid]], [[school uniform fetish|schoolchild]], [[police fetish|police]] (particularly motorcycle patrol) and military officer. It is possible to buy uniforms made out of fetish materials rather than regular fabric.<br />
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Note that these materials are also commonly used in functional clothing, and that clothes made of these materials are not necessarily fetishistic in nature. However, this has also led to fetishisation of functional clothing such as riding boots, [[diving suit]]s and industrial clothing such as [[hazmat suit]]s and [[gas mask]]s.<br />
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Common items of fetish clothing include [[catsuit]]s, [[corset]]s, [[glove]]s, [[thighboot]]s and [[stocking]]s, [[collar]]s, bondage [[mask]]s and [[hood]]s, and leather [[bondage harness]]es. Fetish clothing is often worn within the fetish subculture, frequently as a way of keeping curious non-fetishists out of [[fetish club]]s.<br />
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Fetish fashion models such as [[Midori]], [[Bianca Beauchamp]] and [[Dita Von Teese]] specialise in this type of attire.<br />
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Many elements from fetish clothing have been adopted by mainstream fashion designers.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Cheerleader]]<br />
*[[schoolgirl uniform fetish|Schoolgirl]]<br />
*[[Cross-dressing]]<br />
*[[Fetish]]<br />
*[[Fetish fashion suppliers]]<br />
*[[French maid]]<br />
*[[Fur fetishism]]<br />
*[[Jeans]]<br />
*[[Leather]]<br />
*[[PVC]]<br />
*[[Rubber]]<br />
*[[Sailor fetish]]<br />
*[[Schoolgirl uniform fetish]]<br />
*[[Shoe]]s<br />
*[[Spandex]]<br />
*[[Stockings]]<br />
*[[Tights]]<br />
*[[Transvestism]]<br />
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[[Category:Fetish]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=SockSock2010-03-27T13:25:04Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>[[Image:R041DETAIL.jpg|thumb|right|Rubber sock from [[Westward Bound]]]]<br />
[[Image:Ai Himeno.jpg|thumb|right|Model wearing socks]]<br />
A '''sock''' is a garment of soft material covering the foot and part of the leg, generally worn under [[boot]]s or [[shoe fetish|shoes]]. It may be any length from ankle to above the knee; there is no clear dividing line between very long socks and [[Stocking fetish|stockings]].<br />
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Socks are usually made of cotton, wool or nylon, but may be made of [[fetish]] materials such as [[rubber]].<br />
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A sock is a convenient item to use for a [[stuff gag]].<br />
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== School uniform fetish ==<br />
Socks are used in [[school uniform fetish]] like [[schoolgirl uniform fetish|schoolgirls]]. An authentic uniform should include socks; for girls' uniforms these are often white, for boys' these tend to be grey. In either case, they should be long enough to reach the knee, possibly with enough to turn over at the top.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Foot fetishism]]<br />
* [[Stocking fetish]]<br />
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[[Category:Fetish]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Sexual_fetishismSexual fetishism2010-03-27T13:23:21Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
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<div>The basic idea of '''sexual fetishism''' is sexual arousal and satisfaction through an inanimate object, the '''fetish'''. The concrete definitions are not only differing but even contradictory:<br />
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In psychology, fetishism is a [[paraphilia]], a sexual psychic disorder. The diagnosis of fetishism is justified only if the additional criteria of paraphilia are fulfilled, above all only if the affected person suffers or harms other people. According to the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD), fetishism is the fixation on an inanimate object, while according to the ''Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders'' (DSM), fetishism is the fixation on an inanimate object or a body part.<br />
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In common speech, any fixation on a singular inanimate object, body part, body feature or sexual practice is called fetishism. Here, fetishism is not an illness but an uncommon but mostly harmless sexual orientation.<br />
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== Word origin, history and modern use ==<br />
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A fetish (from French fétiche; from Portuguese feitiço; from Latin facticius, "artificial" and facere, "to make") is an object believed to have supernatural powers, or in particular a man-made object that has power over others.<br />
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== Psychological origins and development ==<br />
There are many theories about the psychological how, when and why of fetishism, but only few facts. Many fetishists state that they have had fetishistic desires as long as they can remember. Some fetishists can trace back their desire to a specific event. Modern psychology assumes that fetishism either is being conditioned or imprinted or the result of a traumatic experience. But also physical factors like brain construction and[heredity are considered possible explanations. <br />
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Behaviorism traced fetishism back to classical conditioning and came up with numerous specialized theories. The common theme running through all of them is that sexual stimulus and the fetish object are presented simultaneously causing them to be connected in the learning process. This is similar to Binet's early theory, though it differs in that it specifies association to classical conditioning and leaves out any judgment about pathogeneity. The superstimulus theory stressed that fetishes could be the result of generalization. For example, it may only be shiny skin that arouses a person at first, but in time more common stimuli, such as shiny latex, may have the same affect. The problem with such a theory was that classical conditioning normally needs many repetitions, but this form would require only one. To account for this the preparedness theory was put forward; it stated that reacting to an object with sexual arousal could be the result of an evolutionary process, because such a reaction could prove to be useful for survival. In pointing to how conditioned sexual behavior can persist over time, one may cite how, in 2004, when quails were trained to copulate with a piece of terry cloth, their conditioning was sustained through ongoing repetition. <br />
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Because classical conditioning seemed to be unable to explain how the conditioned behavior is kept alive over many years, without any repetition, some behaviorists came up with the theory that fetishism was the result of a special form of conditioning, called imprinting. Such conditioning happens during a specific time in early childhood in which sexual orientation is imprinted into the child's mind and remains there for the rest of his life.<br />
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== Types of fetishes ==<br />
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=== Shoes ===<br />
According to the number of erotic offers, shoes - often in combination with a desire for feet - are on the top of the list of commonly fetishized items. Most often, a preference for high-heeled female shoes is reported, but admirers for nearly all kind of footwear can be found on the internet. Especially among gays, a desire for sneakers and sports socks can be found.<br />
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Outsiders tend to spot inner coherence between shoe fetishism and sadomasochism, e. g. because kissing someone's shoes is a submissive act, but from a systematic point of view, there is none.<br />
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=== Hosiery and bodywear ===<br />
Women's hosiery is another commonly fetishised item. Some prefer [[stockings]] while others prefer [[tights]]. Fetishists often have favorite colours or deniers, or specific features such as seams, reinforced toes/heels, or [[fishnet]] material. And not to forget kneehigh socks (cableknits, tubes, soccer, baseball etc...). Those are combined with different types of [[uniform fetish|uniforms]] ([[School uniform fetish|schoolchild]], soccer, etc...)<br />
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[[Spandex]] [[leggings]] and [[leotard]]s are similarly fetishised, as are tight, shiny garments made of [[leather (material)|leather]], [[rubber]] or [[PVC]]. The Japanese term [[zentai]] refers to a spandex suit convering the entire body. For other fetishists, tight [[jeans]] are the object of interest.<br />
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One basis of this fetish is that the material forms a "second skin" that acts as a fetishistic surrogate for the wearer's own skin. Another basis is that the woman wearing them receives autoerotic pleasure from the tightness or silkiness. Other fetishists associate the tightness with corsetry or [[bondage]].<br />
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* [[Jeans]]<br />
* [[Corset|Corset fetishism]]<br />
* [[Tights]]<br />
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* [[Second skin]]<br />
* [[Spandex fetishism]]<br />
* [[Stocking fetishism]]<br />
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* [[Sock]] fetishism<br />
* [[Zentai]] skin tight suits<br />
* Parka fetish<br />
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=== Lingerie and Evening Wear ===<br />
[[Satin]] and lace items such as slips, nightdresses, and [[lingerie]] are often fetishised, as well as other silk items such as evening gowns, [[skirt]]s and scarves. Sometimes, as with hosiery fetishism, there is a [[transvestite|transvestic]] component. Many men find the tactile sensations caused by the wearing of silk or satin lingerie arousing; some wear [[panties]] [[hidden clothes|under]] their male clothes, whereas others may wear a full set of lingerie. Due to the taboo nature of this fetish, the possibility of getting caught often heightens the fetishist's enjoyment. <br />
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In other cases, "fuzzy" materials such as [[fur]] or Angora sweaters are fetishised.<br />
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* [[Fur fetishism]] / Doraphilia<br />
* [[Panty fetishism]]<br />
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* Silk/Satin fetishism<br />
* [[Transvestic fetishism]]<br />
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* Veil fetishism<br />
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=== Leather and latex ===<br />
[[Leather (material)|leather]] is another commonly fetishised item by both [[heterosexual]] and [[homosexual]] fetishists. It is commonly associated with motorcycle gangs, kinky sex, and the leather subculture.<br />
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Another "hard" material for fetish clothing is [[rubber]]. This can range from items such as cloaks to thin, tight and shiny clothing. While rubber, at least natural rubber, is made from [[latex]], in this context "latex" usually refers to the thinner materials. PVC is also used to make similar garments.<br />
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The rubber fetish can focus on conventionally sexy items such as gowns and skintight garments as well as seemingly unlikely items such as [[gas mask]]s.<br />
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* [[Diaper fetishism]]<br />
* [[Latex]] and [[PVC]] fetishism<br />
* [[Leather fetishism]]<br />
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* [[Mask]] fetishism<br />
* [[Rubber fetishism]]<br />
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* [[Wetsuit|Scuba fetishism]]<br />
* Vacuum bags<br />
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=== Partialism ===<br />
Other fetishistic attachments can be to specific parts of the body, such as head or body hair, legs, feet, neck, fingernails, moles or [[breast]]s, or specific shapes of the body, rather than to the person as an individual. This might explain foot binding in China in pre-modern times, extensive [[corset]] use in the West in the 19th century, and breast implants in the contemporary United States and elsewhere (e.g., Brazil).<br />
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* [[Breast]] fetishism<br />
* Breast expansion fetish<br />
* Ear fetishism<br />
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* Freckle fetishism<br />
* [[Feet|Foot fetishism]]<br />
* Hair fetishism]]<br />
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* Hand fetishism<br />
* Navel fetishism<br />
* Nose fetishism<br />
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=== Accessories ===<br />
Sometimes the attraction, rather than being toward clothes that are in close contact with the body, is toward jewelry or similar accessories, such as braces, eyeglasses, gloves, cigarettes, etc.<br />
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* [[Body piercing]]<br />
* Dental braces<br />
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* Eyeglasses fetishism<br />
* [[Glove fetishism]]<br />
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* Headphone fetishism<br />
* Smoking fetish<br />
</TD><br />
</TR><br />
</TABLE><br />
<br />
=== Medical and disability ===<br />
There also exist fetishes related to medical procedures and devices, as well as to disabled persons and orthopedic equipment such as crutches and plaster casts.<br />
<TABLE WIDTH="95%" BORDER="0"><br />
<TR><br />
<TD width="30%"><br />
* Abasiophilia (disability)<br />
* Amputee fetishism<br />
</TD><br />
<TD width="30%"><br />
* Anaesthesia fetishism<br />
* [[Enema]]s<br />
</TD><br />
<TD width="30%"><br />
* [[Medical play]]/[[Medical fetishism]]<br />
* Play piercing<br />
</TD><br />
</TR><br />
</TABLE><br />
<br />
=== Fluid and excretory ===<br />
Another cluster of fetishes is centered around dirt and fluids, bodily or otherwise.<br />
<TABLE WIDTH="95%" BORDER="0"><br />
<TR><br />
<TD width="30%"><br />
* [[Emetophilia]] - (vomiting)<br />
* Fart fetishism<br />
* [[Coprophilia]] or Fecal fetishism<br />
* Erotic lactation<br />
</TD><br />
<TD width="30%"><br />
* Saliromania - (messy/disheveled)<br />
* Felching or Semen fetishism<br />
* [[Sneezing fetishism]]<br />
</TD><br />
<TD width="30%"><br />
* Spitting fetishism<br />
* [[Urolagnia]] or (urine fetishism)<br />
* Wet and messy fetishism<br />
* Insertion Fantasies<br />
</TD><br />
</TR><br />
</TABLE><br />
<br />
=== Cultural factors ===<br />
Sometimes, whole cultures can develop the fetish to such an extent that it is no longer perceived as a fetish, but merely as a normal sexual desire; for example the commonplace "fetishes" for lingerie and women lacking body hair.<br />
<br />
Sometimes what a culture covers up eroticises the boundaries of what remains exposed. For example, a woman's ankle was considered erotic in late-Victorian era England.<br />
<br />
In this regard, there can be said to be a degree of fetishistic arousal in the average person who responds to particular bodily features as sign of sexual attractiveness]]. However, fetishistic arousal is generally considered to be a problem only when it interferes with normal sexual or social functioning. Sometimes the term "fetishism" is used only for those cases where non-fetishist sexual arousal is impossible.<br />
<br />
=== Women and fetishism ===<br />
Most of the material on fetishism is in reference to heterosexual men, with most of the objects fetishized being high-femme items such as lingerie, hosiery, and heels. Until recently there was little mention of women ever having fetishes.<br />
<br />
However, the visual map of fetishes linked below flags several clusters as having a number of women admirers, such as corsetry and some of the medical-related fetishes. Given the male's more visual nature, the preferences of women fetishists are not necessarily a mirror image of those of male fetishists; just because many men are attracted to women in [[high heels]] does not necessarily mean there are many women attracted to men in construction boots.<br />
<br />
The book ''Female Perversions'', which also discussed corsetry and self-cutting, in part discusses "female transvestism". It gave examples both of women who became excited by dressing in a "butch" way, i.e. the mirror image of male transvestic fetishism, and of women who became aroused by dressing in a very "femme" way, or parallel to male transvestic fetishism.<br />
<br />
Some of the fetishes where a generally male attribute is being fetishised are:<br />
<br />
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<TR><br />
<TD width="50%"><br />
* Foreskin fetish<br />
* Muscle fetishism / Sthenolagnia (sexual arousal<br>from demonstration of strength or muscles)<br />
</TD><br />
<TD width="50%"><br />
* [[Sock]] fetishism<br />
* Suit and Tie fetishism<br />
</TD><br />
</TR><br />
</TABLE><br />
<br />
=== Furniture ===<br />
;[[Forniphilia]]<br />
:Objectification to the point of becoming an inanimate piece of furniture<br />
;Desks<br />
Another strangely common fetish. This has been recognised as a psychological disorder, usually triggered by boredom or stress in a working environment involving desks. Cases have been found within schools, offices and especially within courts of law, due to the tediously slow pace at which many legal systems around the globe operate at.<br />
<br />
==Other varieties of fetishism==<br />
For a more complete list of fetishes and paraphilias, see [[List of paraphilias]].<br />
<br />
== Medical aspects ==<br />
Most of the sexual orientations popularly called fetishism are regarded ''normal variations of human sexuality'' on behalf of psychologists and medics. Even those orientations that are potential forms of fetishism are usually considered unobjectionable as long as all involved persons feel comfortable. Only if the diagnostic criteria presented in detail below are met, the medical diagnosis of fetishism is justified. The leading thought is that a fetishist is not ill because of his addiction but because he suffers from it.<br />
<br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06052b.htm The Catholic Encyclopaedia: fetishism] - quite extensive, well researched, and relatively objective.<br />
*[http://www.fetish-links.org/ Fetish Links Org] - Directory for Fetish Sites.<br />
*[http://groups-beta.google.com/group/TheUrineists The Urineists] ''Practitioners of Urophagia & Urolagnia (A "Google" Beta-Group)''<br />
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<div>'''Paraphilia''', sexual deviation (in Greek para παρά = besides and '-philia' φιλία = love) - in psychology and sexology, is a term that describes a family of philias that reference sexual arousal in response to sexual objects or situations which may interfere with the capacity for reciprocal affectionate sexual activity. Paraphilia is also used to imply non-mainstream sexual practices without necessarily implying dysfunction or deviance. Also, it may describe sexual feelings toward otherwise non-sexual objects. As the -philias within it have derived nouns, the noun derived which could be used to describe the collection of persons with paraphilias would be paraphile. However, psychologists generally use parasexual<br />
<br />
==History of the term==<br />
Although its coinage is often attributed to sexologist John Money, the term was coined by Croatian Jewish sexologist Friedrich Salomon Krauss during the 19th century, first popularized by Viennese psychotherapist Wilhelm Stekel (in his book Sexual Aberrations) in 1925, from the Greek para- (beside) + philos (loving), and first used in English in Stekel's translated works. It was not in widespread use until the 1950s, and was first used in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (DSM) in 1980. It was used by Sigmund Freud as well<br />
<br />
==Clinically recognized paraphilias==<br />
Clinical literature discusses eight major paraphilias individually. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the activity must be the sole means of sexual gratification for a period of six (6) months, and cause "marked distress or interpersonal difficulty" to be considered such. In the clinical sense, many professionals and lay people prefer the term "disorders of sexual preference".<br />
<br />
Note that since the DSM is a set of guidelines constructed by a committee of experts, it only represents reliable diagnoses, not necessarily valid ones.<br />
<br />
This following list is a combined list of Paraphilias and Fetishes.<br />
<br />
==List of Fetishes & Paraphilias==<br />
<br />
This list is a combined list of Paraphilias and Fetishes.<br />
<br />
; [[Abasiophilia]] <br />
: love of (or sexual attraction to) people who use leg braces or other orthopaedic appliances<br />
; [[Acousticophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from certain sounds<br />
; [[Amputee fetishism|Acrotomophilia]]<br />
: love of (or sexual attraction to) amputation or amputees<br />
; [[Statuephilia|Agalmatophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to statues or mannequins or immobility<br />
; [[Algolagnia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from pain<br />
; [[Blindfold|Amaurophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal by a partner whom one is unable to see due to artificial means, such as being blindfolded or having sex in total darkness. ''(See: [[sensory deprivation]])''<br />
; [[Transvestism|Andromimetophilia]]<br />
: love of women dressed as men<br />
; [[Exhibitionism|Apodysophilia]]<br />
: desire to undress, see also nudism<br />
; [[Amputee fetishism|Apotemnophilia]]<br />
: desire to have (or sexual arousal from having) a healthy appendage (limb, digit, or male genitals) amputated<br />
; [[Aquaphilia]]<br />
: arousal from water and/or in watery environments, including bathtubs or swimming pools <br />
; [[Aretifism]]<br />
: sexual attraction to people who are without footwear, in contrast to [[retifism]]<br />
; [[Erotic Asphyxia|Asphyxiophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to [[asphyxia]]; also called breath control play; including [[Erotic Asphyxia|autoerotic asphyxiation]]; see [http://members.aol.com/oldrope/breath.htm medical warnings]<br />
; [[SRI|Autogynephilia]]<br />
: love of oneself as a woman (also see Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory on Wikipedia for more on this controversy)<br />
; [[Biastophilia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from committing rape<br />
; [[Breast expansion]]<br />
: is a sexual fetish characterized by females whose breasts enlarge, either gradually or suddenly, sometimes to gargantuan proportions<br />
; [[Capnolagnia]]<br />
: Smoking Fetish<br />
; [[Celebriphilia]]<br />
: pathological desire to have sex with a celebrity.<br />
; [[Age Play|Chronophilias]] such as [[Age Play|Infantophilia]]<br />
: The sexual attraction to infants, Pedophilia: the sexual attraction to prepubescent children, <br />
; [[Messy#Coprophilia|Coprophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to (or pleasure from) feces<br />
; [[Crush fetish]]<br />
: sexual arousal from seeing small creatures being crushed by members of the opposite sex, or being crushed oneself<br />
; [[Dacryphilia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure in eliciting tears from others or oneself<br />
; [[Diaper fetishism]]<br />
: sexual arousal from diapers<br />
; [[Emetophilia]]<br />
: (a.k.a. ''vomerophilia''): sexual attraction to vomit<br />
; [[Ephebophilia]] <br />
:(a.k.a. ''hebephilia''): sexual attraction towards adolescents<br />
; Eproctophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to flatulence<br />
;[[Exhibitionism]]<br />
: sexual arousal through sexual behavior in view of third parties (also includes the recurrent urge or behavior to expose one's genitals to an unsuspecting person, known as indecent exposure)<br />
; Faunoiphilia<br />
: sexual arousal from watching animals mate<br />
; [[Fetishism]]<br />
: is the use of non-sexual or nonliving objects or part of a person's body to gain sexual excitement. Examples include:<br />
* [[Balloon fetishism]]<br />
* [[Breast fetishism]]<br />
* [[Aretifism|foot fetishism (podophilia)]]<br />
* [[fur fetishism]]<br />
* [[leather fetishism]]<br />
* [[lipstick fetishism]]<br />
* [[Medical fetishism]]<br />
* [[Panty fetishism]]<br />
* [[robot fetishism]]<br />
* [[rubber fetishism]]<br />
* [[Retifism|shoe fetishism]]<br />
* [[smoking fetish]]<br />
* [[spandex fetishism]]<br />
* [[dental braces fetishism]]<br />
* [[transvestic fetishism]]<br />
; [[Frotteurism]]<br />
: sexual arousal from the recurrent urge or behavior of touching or rubbing against a nonconsenting person<br />
; Erotic Lactation | Galactophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to human milk or lactating women (incorrect term)<br />
; [[Gerontophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction towards the elderly<br />
; [[Haematophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction involving blood (either on a sex partner/attractive person or the liquid itself; (not to be confused with ''haemophilia'', a genetic disorder of the blood)<br />
; [[Harpaxophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from being the victim of a robbery or burglary<br />
; [[Hematolagnia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to blood<br />
; [[Hybristophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal to people who have committed crimes, in particular cruel or outrageous crimes<br />
; Hypodermoclysis<br />
: the subcutaneous infusion of fluids, usually to breasts, scrotum or penis<br />
; [[Infantilism]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from dressing, acting, or being treated as a baby<br />
; [[Inflatophilia]]<br />
: Inflatophilia is the strong attraction to and/or love of inflatable objects<br />
; [[Katoptronophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from having sex in front of mirrors.<br />
; [[Klismaphilia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from [[enemas]]<br />
; Knismolagnia<br />
: Tickling fetish<br />
; Lust murder<br />
: sexual arousal through committing murder<br />
; Macrophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to larger people and large things (including larger body organs such as breasts and genitalia)<br />
; [[Maiesiophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to childbirth or pregnant women <br />
; [[Masochism]]<br />
: is the recurrent urge or behavior of wanting to be humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer<br />
; Microphilia<br />
: sexual attraction to smaller people and things of smaller size<br />
; [[Messy|Mysophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to soiled, dirty, foul or decaying material<br />
; Necrophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to corpses<br />
; Necrozoophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to the corpses or killings of animals (also known as necrobestiality)<br />
; Nepiophilia<br />
: the same as infantophilia sexual attraction to children between the age of 0 - 3 yrs.<br />
; [[Partialism]]:<br />
: Refers to fetishes specifically involving nonsexual parts of the body. <br />
; [[Pedophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to prepubescent children (British spelling: paedophilia)<br />
; Phalloorchoalgolagnia<br />
: sexual arousal by the experiencing of painful stimuli being administered to the male genitals.<br />
; Pictophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to pictorial pornography/erotic art<br />
; Plushophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to stuffed toys or people in animal costume, such as theme park characters<br />
; Pyrophilia<br />
: sexual arousal through watching, setting, hearing/talking/fantasizing about fire<br />
; [[Retifism]]<br />
: sexual arousal from shoes<br />
; [[Sadism]]<br />
: The recurrent urge or behavior involving acts in which the pain or humiliation of the victim is sexually exciting. <br />
; Schediaphilia (aka Toonophilia): love (or sexual arousal) to cartoon characters/situations<br />
; [[Food Fantasies|Sitophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from food<br />
; Somnophilia<br />
: sexual arousal from sleeping or unconscious people<br />
; Spectrophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to ghosts<br />
; [[Statuephilia]]<br />
: Sexual attraction to mannequins, statues, dolls<br />
; Teleiophilia <br />
: The sexual attraction of children to adults. <br />
; Telephone scatologia<br />
: being sexually aroused by making obscene telephone calls<br />
; [[Teratophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to deformed or monstrous people<br />
; [[ATF|Transformation fetish]]<br />
: sexual arousal from depictions of transformations of people into objects or other beings<br />
; [[Transvestic fetishism]]<br />
: is a sexual attraction towards the clothing of the opposite gender (also known as transvestitism)<br />
; [[Trichophilia]]<br />
: love (or sexual arousal) from hair<br />
; [[Urolagnia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to urine<br />
; [[Vore|Vorarephilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to being eaten by, and/or eating, another person or creature<br />
; [[Voyeurism]]<br />
: sexual arousal through watching others having sex (also includes the recurrent urge or behavior to observe an unsuspecting person who is naked, disrobing or engaging in sexual activities, see [[Lady Godiva|peeping tom]])<br />
; [[Xenophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to foreigners (in science fiction, can also mean sexual attraction to aliens)<br />
; [[Zoophilia]]<br />
: emotional or sexual attraction to animals<br />
; Zoosadism<br />
: the sexual enjoyment of causing pain and suffering to animals<br />
<br />
;Note --<br />
:Sadism and masochism are often grouped together, under [[S&M|sadomasochism]], or (as a lifestyle interest) [[BDSM]]. See also [[bondage]], [[discipline]] and [[algolagnia]].<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Perversion]]<br />
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<div>'''Paraphilia''', sexual deviation (in Greek para παρά = besides and '-philia' φιλία = love) - in psychology and sexology, is a term that describes a family of philias that reference sexual arousal in response to sexual objects or situations which may interfere with the capacity for reciprocal affectionate sexual activity. Paraphilia is also used to imply non-mainstream sexual practices without necessarily implying dysfunction or deviance. Also, it may describe sexual feelings toward otherwise non-sexual objects. As the -philias within it have derived nouns, the noun derived which could be used to describe the collection of persons with paraphilias would be paraphile. However, psychologists generally use parasexual<br />
<br />
==History of the term==<br />
Although its coinage is often attributed to sexologist John Money, the term was coined by Croatian Jewish sexologist Friedrich Salomon Krauss during the 19th century, first popularized by Viennese psychotherapist Wilhelm Stekel (in his book Sexual Aberrations) in 1925, from the Greek para- (beside) + philos (loving), and first used in English in Stekel's translated works. It was not in widespread use until the 1950s, and was first used in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (DSM) in 1980. It was used by Sigmund Freud as well<br />
<br />
==Clinically recognized paraphilias==<br />
Clinical literature discusses eight major paraphilias individually. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the activity must be the sole means of sexual gratification for a period of six (6) months, and cause "marked distress or interpersonal difficulty" to be considered such. In the clinical sense, many professionals and lay people prefer the term "disorders of sexual preference".<br />
<br />
Note that since the DSM is a set of guidelines constructed by a committee of experts, it only represents reliable diagnoses, not necessarily valid ones.<br />
<br />
This following list is a combined list of Paraphilias and Fetishes.<br />
<br />
==List of Fetishes & Paraphilias==<br />
<br />
This list is a combined list of Paraphilias and Fetishes.<br />
<br />
; [[Abasiophilia]] <br />
: love of (or sexual attraction to) people who use leg braces or other orthopaedic appliances<br />
; [[Acousticophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from certain sounds<br />
; [[Amputee fetishism|Acrotomophilia]]<br />
: love of (or sexual attraction to) amputation or amputees<br />
; [[Statuephilia|Agalmatophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to statues or mannequins or immobility<br />
; [[Algolagnia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from pain<br />
; [[Blindfold|Amaurophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal by a partner whom one is unable to see due to artificial means, such as being blindfolded or having sex in total darkness. ''(See: [[sensory deprivation]])''<br />
; [[Transvestism|Andromimetophilia]]<br />
: love of women dressed as men<br />
; [[Exhibitionism|Apodysophilia]]<br />
: desire to undress, see also nudism<br />
; [[Amputee fetishism|Apotemnophilia]]<br />
: desire to have (or sexual arousal from having) a healthy appendage (limb, digit, or male genitals) amputated<br />
; [[Aquaphilia]]<br />
: arousal from water and/or in watery environments, including bathtubs or swimming pools <br />
; [[Aretifism]]<br />
: sexual attraction to people who are without footwear, in contrast to [[retifism]]<br />
; [[Erotic Asphyxia|Asphyxiophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to [[asphyxia]]; also called breath control play; including [[Erotic Asphyxia|autoerotic asphyxiation]]; see [http://members.aol.com/oldrope/breath.htm medical warnings]<br />
; [[SRI|Autogynephilia]]<br />
: love of oneself as a woman (also see Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory on Wikipedia for more on this controversy)<br />
; [[Biastophilia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from committing rape<br />
; [[Breast expansion]]<br />
: is a sexual fetish characterized by females whose breasts enlarge, either gradually or suddenly, sometimes to gargantuan proportions<br />
; [[Capnolagnia]]<br />
: Smoking Fetish<br />
; [[Celebriphilia]]<br />
: pathological desire to have sex with a celebrity.<br />
; [[Age Play|Chronophilias]] such as [[Age Play|Infantophilia]]<br />
: The sexual attraction to infants, Pedophilia: the sexual attraction to prepubescent children, <br />
; [[Messy#Coprophilia|Coprophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to (or pleasure from) feces<br />
; [[Crush fetish]]<br />
: sexual arousal from seeing small creatures being crushed by members of the opposite sex, or being crushed oneself<br />
; [[Dacryphilia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure in eliciting tears from others or oneself<br />
; [[Infantilism|Diaper fetishism]]<br />
: sexual arousal from diapers<br />
; [[Emetophilia]]<br />
: (a.k.a. ''vomerophilia''): sexual attraction to vomit<br />
; [[Ephebophilia]] <br />
:(a.k.a. ''hebephilia''): sexual attraction towards adolescents<br />
; Eproctophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to flatulence<br />
;[[Exhibitionism]]<br />
: sexual arousal through sexual behavior in view of third parties (also includes the recurrent urge or behavior to expose one's genitals to an unsuspecting person, known as indecent exposure)<br />
; Faunoiphilia<br />
: sexual arousal from watching animals mate<br />
; [[Fetishism]]<br />
: is the use of non-sexual or nonliving objects or part of a person's body to gain sexual excitement. Examples include:<br />
* [[Balloon fetishism]]<br />
* [[Breast fetishism]]<br />
* [[Aretifism|foot fetishism (podophilia)]]<br />
* [[fur fetishism]]<br />
* [[leather fetishism]]<br />
* [[lipstick fetishism]]<br />
* [[Medical fetishism]]<br />
* [[Panty fetishism]]<br />
* [[robot fetishism]]<br />
* [[rubber fetishism]]<br />
* [[Retifism|shoe fetishism]]<br />
* [[smoking fetish]]<br />
* [[spandex fetishism]]<br />
* [[dental braces fetishism]]<br />
* [[transvestic fetishism]]<br />
; [[Frotteurism]]<br />
: sexual arousal from the recurrent urge or behavior of touching or rubbing against a nonconsenting person<br />
; Erotic Lactation | Galactophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to human milk or lactating women (incorrect term)<br />
; [[Gerontophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction towards the elderly<br />
; [[Haematophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction involving blood (either on a sex partner/attractive person or the liquid itself; (not to be confused with ''haemophilia'', a genetic disorder of the blood)<br />
; [[Harpaxophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from being the victim of a robbery or burglary<br />
; [[Hematolagnia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to blood<br />
; [[Hybristophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal to people who have committed crimes, in particular cruel or outrageous crimes<br />
; Hypodermoclysis<br />
: the subcutaneous infusion of fluids, usually to breasts, scrotum or penis<br />
; [[Infantilism]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from dressing, acting, or being treated as a baby<br />
; [[Inflatophilia]]<br />
: Inflatophilia is the strong attraction to and/or love of inflatable objects<br />
; [[Katoptronophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from having sex in front of mirrors.<br />
; [[Klismaphilia]]<br />
: sexual pleasure from [[enemas]]<br />
; Knismolagnia<br />
: Tickling fetish<br />
; Lust murder<br />
: sexual arousal through committing murder<br />
; Macrophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to larger people and large things (including larger body organs such as breasts and genitalia)<br />
; [[Maiesiophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to childbirth or pregnant women <br />
; [[Masochism]]<br />
: is the recurrent urge or behavior of wanting to be humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer<br />
; Microphilia<br />
: sexual attraction to smaller people and things of smaller size<br />
; [[Messy|Mysophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to soiled, dirty, foul or decaying material<br />
; Necrophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to corpses<br />
; Necrozoophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to the corpses or killings of animals (also known as necrobestiality)<br />
; Nepiophilia<br />
: the same as infantophilia sexual attraction to children between the age of 0 - 3 yrs.<br />
; [[Partialism]]:<br />
: Refers to fetishes specifically involving nonsexual parts of the body. <br />
; [[Pedophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to prepubescent children (British spelling: paedophilia)<br />
; Phalloorchoalgolagnia<br />
: sexual arousal by the experiencing of painful stimuli being administered to the male genitals.<br />
; Pictophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to pictorial pornography/erotic art<br />
; Plushophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to stuffed toys or people in animal costume, such as theme park characters<br />
; Pyrophilia<br />
: sexual arousal through watching, setting, hearing/talking/fantasizing about fire<br />
; [[Retifism]]<br />
: sexual arousal from shoes<br />
; [[Sadism]]<br />
: The recurrent urge or behavior involving acts in which the pain or humiliation of the victim is sexually exciting. <br />
; Schediaphilia (aka Toonophilia): love (or sexual arousal) to cartoon characters/situations<br />
; [[Food Fantasies|Sitophilia]]<br />
: sexual arousal from food<br />
; Somnophilia<br />
: sexual arousal from sleeping or unconscious people<br />
; Spectrophilia<br />
: sexual attraction to ghosts<br />
; [[Statuephilia]]<br />
: Sexual attraction to mannequins, statues, dolls<br />
; Teleiophilia <br />
: The sexual attraction of children to adults. <br />
; Telephone scatologia<br />
: being sexually aroused by making obscene telephone calls<br />
; [[Teratophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to deformed or monstrous people<br />
; [[ATF|Transformation fetish]]<br />
: sexual arousal from depictions of transformations of people into objects or other beings<br />
; [[Transvestic fetishism]]<br />
: is a sexual attraction towards the clothing of the opposite gender (also known as transvestitism)<br />
; [[Trichophilia]]<br />
: love (or sexual arousal) from hair<br />
; [[Urolagnia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to urine<br />
; [[Vore|Vorarephilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to being eaten by, and/or eating, another person or creature<br />
; [[Voyeurism]]<br />
: sexual arousal through watching others having sex (also includes the recurrent urge or behavior to observe an unsuspecting person who is naked, disrobing or engaging in sexual activities, see [[Lady Godiva|peeping tom]])<br />
; [[Xenophilia]]<br />
: sexual attraction to foreigners (in science fiction, can also mean sexual attraction to aliens)<br />
; [[Zoophilia]]<br />
: emotional or sexual attraction to animals<br />
; Zoosadism<br />
: the sexual enjoyment of causing pain and suffering to animals<br />
<br />
;Note --<br />
:Sadism and masochism are often grouped together, under [[S&M|sadomasochism]], or (as a lifestyle interest) [[BDSM]]. See also [[bondage]], [[discipline]] and [[algolagnia]].<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Perversion]]<br />
<br />
{{SM201|List_of_Paraphilias}}<br />
[[category:AltSex]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Age_PlayAge Play2009-11-29T01:20:16Z<p>Roguebfl: Redirecting to Ageplay</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Ageplay]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:RopeuserUser talk:Ropeuser2009-11-21T20:58:39Z<p>Roguebfl: /* Copyright Templates */</p>
<hr />
<div>Welcome and well done on all your work here. Unfortunately, we don't have many active admins and even they are a bit quiet at the moment. Give [[User:Balzac]] a nudge if necessary. [[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 21:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=="Strange characters"==<br />
In Sept. 2006, this site underwent a rename vandalism attack, where articles were renamed to names of other articles and/or to random nonsense titles multiple times. As part of the recovery effort, characters other than simple ASCII were messed up (UTF-8 codes interpreted as as ISO-8859-1). We fixed most of these at the time, but some eluded us. Just so you know... -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 19:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
: true, that is an import reason to use things like &amp;copy; for &copy; etc... --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: I see, thanks. Obviously, if I see any other funnies I shall fix them. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Thank you :) ==<br />
<br />
[[User:Odalisque|Odalisque]] 16:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] ==<br />
<br />
Now that you are an admin; how about taking a look at what I wrote on [[MediaWiki talk:Licenses]], especially as you do a lot of image uploading yourself.<br />
<br />
== Wiki links ==<br />
<br />
when a wiki url has index.php you do not use <code>index.php?title=User:Ropeuser</code> but instead use <code>index.php/User:Ropeuser</code> the "title" style are only used for special page function. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 13:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Cat and kitten suit==<br />
"A catsuit without legs is sometimes called a kittensuit, although such a garment is indistinguishable from a leotard." Does a kittensuit still have a zip, as with a [[catsuit]]? If so, it is distinguishable from a leotard; if not, perhaps that is worth stating. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Leotards may have zips if they have high necks: [https://dancewear.co.uk/products/details/&prodid=1938] I could say "indistinguishable from a leotard with a zip." [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 17:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Mental nondage / Honour bondage==<br />
When I checked for mental bondage before creating it, I missed seeing honour bondage. I think they may as well be merged, what do you think? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 23:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Done; I leave you to decide whether we still need to acknowledge SMiki. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 14:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Paraphilias ==<br />
<br />
Hello, thanks for your welcome note (and your recommendation pointing me here too), it's great to be involved with this.<br />
<br />
I had a thought, but being new here I wanted to get a second opinion. The [[paraphilia]] page is extensive, but doesn't point to any exhaustive list of specific philias; I was considering that it might be useful to create either a list on the paraphilia page - or perhaps a separate sub-category under the Fetish category. I'm more than happy to do this, just wondered what you (or others) thought about it. --[[User:Erleiden|Erleiden]] 00:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Question re: wikipedia content ==<br />
<br />
Hi, and thanks for the welcome on my talk page.<br />
<br />
I'm working on redlinks as a way of getting to know the place. I was going to do cosplay next, then discovered that Wikipedia has an excellent, well-referenced article on the subject. Since this is definitely a fetish-oriented topic, I'd like you opinion on how to handle it.<br />
<br />
Do I:<br />
# Cut and paste the Wikipedia content here? That would freeze the article in its current state.<br />
# Create a stub article, and link to the Wikipedia content? That would keep the article fresh but also expose us to vandalism that occurs over there.<br />
# Not create an article at all, but fix the redlinks to point directly to Wikipedia?<br />
# Do my best to recreate the article here? Would rather not reinvent the wheel.<br />
<br />
Regards. [[User:Uke|Uke]] 02:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Anne Rice==<br />
Her parents named here Howard? If true it would be good to add a bit of Wikitext to warn the unwary... Howard!!? [[User:Bt|bt]] 13:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Surprising for an Irish Catholic family in that place and time, but I guess her own Web site settles the issue (assuming it's not been spoofed or vandalized itself...). Thnaks for the heads up... Howard!??? [[User:Bt|bt]] 20:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Copyright Templates ==<br />
I replied on my talk page about you question. you will also want to at {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0}} to [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] as well as {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0}} which you had already added. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 20:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:RopeuserUser talk:Ropeuser2009-11-21T20:58:21Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
<hr />
<div>Welcome and well done on all your work here. Unfortunately, we don't have many active admins and even they are a bit quiet at the moment. Give [[User:Balzac]] a nudge if necessary. [[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 21:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=="Strange characters"==<br />
In Sept. 2006, this site underwent a rename vandalism attack, where articles were renamed to names of other articles and/or to random nonsense titles multiple times. As part of the recovery effort, characters other than simple ASCII were messed up (UTF-8 codes interpreted as as ISO-8859-1). We fixed most of these at the time, but some eluded us. Just so you know... -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 19:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
: true, that is an import reason to use things like &amp;copy; for &copy; etc... --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: I see, thanks. Obviously, if I see any other funnies I shall fix them. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Thank you :) ==<br />
<br />
[[User:Odalisque|Odalisque]] 16:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] ==<br />
<br />
Now that you are an admin; how about taking a look at what I wrote on [[MediaWiki talk:Licenses]], especially as you do a lot of image uploading yourself.<br />
<br />
== Wiki links ==<br />
<br />
when a wiki url has index.php you do not use <code>index.php?title=User:Ropeuser</code> but instead use <code>index.php/User:Ropeuser</code> the "title" style are only used for special page function. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 13:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Cat and kitten suit==<br />
"A catsuit without legs is sometimes called a kittensuit, although such a garment is indistinguishable from a leotard." Does a kittensuit still have a zip, as with a [[catsuit]]? If so, it is distinguishable from a leotard; if not, perhaps that is worth stating. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Leotards may have zips if they have high necks: [https://dancewear.co.uk/products/details/&prodid=1938] I could say "indistinguishable from a leotard with a zip." [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 17:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Mental nondage / Honour bondage==<br />
When I checked for mental bondage before creating it, I missed seeing honour bondage. I think they may as well be merged, what do you think? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 23:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Done; I leave you to decide whether we still need to acknowledge SMiki. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 14:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Paraphilias ==<br />
<br />
Hello, thanks for your welcome note (and your recommendation pointing me here too), it's great to be involved with this.<br />
<br />
I had a thought, but being new here I wanted to get a second opinion. The [[paraphilia]] page is extensive, but doesn't point to any exhaustive list of specific philias; I was considering that it might be useful to create either a list on the paraphilia page - or perhaps a separate sub-category under the Fetish category. I'm more than happy to do this, just wondered what you (or others) thought about it. --[[User:Erleiden|Erleiden]] 00:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Question re: wikipedia content ==<br />
<br />
Hi, and thanks for the welcome on my talk page.<br />
<br />
I'm working on redlinks as a way of getting to know the place. I was going to do cosplay next, then discovered that Wikipedia has an excellent, well-referenced article on the subject. Since this is definitely a fetish-oriented topic, I'd like you opinion on how to handle it.<br />
<br />
Do I:<br />
# Cut and paste the Wikipedia content here? That would freeze the article in its current state.<br />
# Create a stub article, and link to the Wikipedia content? That would keep the article fresh but also expose us to vandalism that occurs over there.<br />
# Not create an article at all, but fix the redlinks to point directly to Wikipedia?<br />
# Do my best to recreate the article here? Would rather not reinvent the wheel.<br />
<br />
Regards. [[User:Uke|Uke]] 02:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Anne Rice==<br />
Her parents named here Howard? If true it would be good to add a bit of Wikitext to warn the unwary... Howard!!? [[User:Bt|bt]] 13:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Surprising for an Irish Catholic family in that place and time, but I guess her own Web site settles the issue (assuming it's not been spoofed or vandalized itself...). Thnaks for the heads up... Howard!??? [[User:Bt|bt]] 20:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Copyright Templates ==<br />
I replied on ym talk page about you question. you will also want to at {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0}} to [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] as well as {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0}} which you had already added. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 20:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:RopeuserUser talk:Ropeuser2009-11-21T20:57:28Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
<hr />
<div>Welcome and well done on all your work here. Unfortunately, we don't have many active admins and even they are a bit quiet at the moment. Give [[User:Balzac]] a nudge if necessary. [[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 21:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=="Strange characters"==<br />
In Sept. 2006, this site underwent a rename vandalism attack, where articles were renamed to names of other articles and/or to random nonsense titles multiple times. As part of the recovery effort, characters other than simple ASCII were messed up (UTF-8 codes interpreted as as ISO-8859-1). We fixed most of these at the time, but some eluded us. Just so you know... -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 19:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
: true, that is an import reason to use things like &amp;copy; for &copy; etc... --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 19:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: I see, thanks. Obviously, if I see any other funnies I shall fix them. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Thank you :) ==<br />
<br />
[[User:Odalisque|Odalisque]] 16:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] ==<br />
<br />
Now that you are an admin; how about taking a look at what I wrote on [[MediaWiki talk:Licenses]], especially as you do a lot of image uploading yourself.<br />
<br />
== Wiki links ==<br />
<br />
when a wiki url has index.php you do not use <code>index.php?title=User:Ropeuser</code> but instead use <code>index.php/User:Ropeuser</code> the "title" style are only used for special page function. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 13:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Cat and kitten suit==<br />
"A catsuit without legs is sometimes called a kittensuit, although such a garment is indistinguishable from a leotard." Does a kittensuit still have a zip, as with a [[catsuit]]? If so, it is distinguishable from a leotard; if not, perhaps that is worth stating. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Leotards may have zips if they have high necks: [https://dancewear.co.uk/products/details/&prodid=1938] I could say "indistinguishable from a leotard with a zip." [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 17:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Mental nondage / Honour bondage==<br />
When I checked for mental bondage before creating it, I missed seeing honour bondage. I think they may as well be merged, what do you think? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 23:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Done; I leave you to decide whether we still need to acknowledge SMiki. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 14:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Paraphilias ==<br />
<br />
Hello, thanks for your welcome note (and your recommendation pointing me here too), it's great to be involved with this.<br />
<br />
I had a thought, but being new here I wanted to get a second opinion. The [[paraphilia]] page is extensive, but doesn't point to any exhaustive list of specific philias; I was considering that it might be useful to create either a list on the paraphilia page - or perhaps a separate sub-category under the Fetish category. I'm more than happy to do this, just wondered what you (or others) thought about it. --[[User:Erleiden|Erleiden]] 00:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Question re: wikipedia content ==<br />
<br />
Hi, and thanks for the welcome on my talk page.<br />
<br />
I'm working on redlinks as a way of getting to know the place. I was going to do cosplay next, then discovered that Wikipedia has an excellent, well-referenced article on the subject. Since this is definitely a fetish-oriented topic, I'd like you opinion on how to handle it.<br />
<br />
Do I:<br />
# Cut and paste the Wikipedia content here? That would freeze the article in its current state.<br />
# Create a stub article, and link to the Wikipedia content? That would keep the article fresh but also expose us to vandalism that occurs over there.<br />
# Not create an article at all, but fix the redlinks to point directly to Wikipedia?<br />
# Do my best to recreate the article here? Would rather not reinvent the wheel.<br />
<br />
Regards. [[User:Uke|Uke]] 02:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Anne Rice==<br />
Her parents named here Howard? If true it would be good to add a bit of Wikitext to warn the unwary... Howard!!? [[User:Bt|bt]] 13:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Surprising for an Irish Catholic family in that place and time, but I guess her own Web site settles the issue (assuming it's not been spoofed or vandalized itself...). Thnaks for the heads up... Howard!??? [[User:Bt|bt]] 20:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I replied on ym talk page about you question. you will also want to at {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0}} to [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] as well as {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0}} which you had already added.</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template:CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0Template:CC-BY-NC-SA-2.02009-11-21T20:51:49Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
<hr />
<div>{| style="margin: 0.5em auto; text-align: center; width: 80%; border: 2px solid #e0e0e0; padding: 5px"<br />
|- <br />
| [[Image:CC SomeRightsReserved.png|Creative Commons License|90px]]<br />[[Image:Cc-by.png|24px|Creative Commons Attribution icon]][[Image:Cc-nc.png|24px|24px|Creative Commons Noncommercial icon]][[Image:Cc-sa.png|24px|Creative Commons Share Alike icon]]<br />
| ''[[:Image:{{PAGENAME}}|This image]] is licensed under the [[wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution Noncommercial ShareAlike License v. [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ 2.0]''<br />
|}<includeonly>[[Category:CC-BY-NC-SA Images|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly><noinclude><br />
This license is not strictly compatible with [[GFDL]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Image Copyright Templates|CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0]]</noinclude></div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:RoguebflUser talk:Roguebfl2009-11-21T20:50:15Z<p>Roguebfl: /* Copyright template */</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Usercomment}}<br />
<br />
<br />
Welcome and well done on all your work here. Unfortunately, we don't have many active admins and even they are a bit quiet at the moment. Give [[User:Balzac]] a nudge if necessary. [[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 21:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] ==<br />
<br />
I created the file as you suggest. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: It seems to be working; at least for the ones the not need a parameter. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 07:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Wiki links ==<br />
<br />
Thanks for the advice. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 15:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Actually, the "title=" seems to be necessary for Latexwiki. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 15:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: actually it not, check out the edited links they work. Other eise everthing on their wiki would be "external links" because title= does not wiki with wiki links --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 15:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Maybe it's my computer but what I put works and I'm afraid your edited version doesn't so I reverted. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 15:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: Well safet to use your vertion then, but all i cas say is that eve more screwed up setup on their half. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 15:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Copyright template ==<br />
<br />
Could you please look at [[:Image:970119163 6897031865 b.jpg]], which is taken from Flickr. Do we need a new copyright template for it, or is there an appropriate one already? Thanks. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
: And [[:Image:3997538004 cf468002cd b.jpg]], which seems to be yet another licence! [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:: The problem is the were set to {{Tl|Cc-by-NC-ND-2.0}} not {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0}}, I've added i redirect, but wiki code is case sensitive except for the first letter. Thou we were missing {{Tl|CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0}} (and {{Tl|Cc-by-NC-SA-2.0}} but that should now be fixed ) &mdash;<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 20:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template:CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0Template:CC-BY-NC-SA-2.02009-11-21T20:48:34Z<p>Roguebfl: New page: {| style="margin: 0.5em auto; text-align: center; width: 80%; border: 2px solid #e0e0e0; padding: 5px" |- | 90px<br />[[Image:...</p>
<hr />
<div>{| style="margin: 0.5em auto; text-align: center; width: 80%; border: 2px solid #e0e0e0; padding: 5px"<br />
|- <br />
| [[Image:CC SomeRightsReserved.png|Creative Commons License|90px]]<br />[[Image:Cc-by.png|24px|Creative Commons Attribution icon]][[Image:Cc-nc.png|24px|24px|Creative Commons Noncommercial icon]][[Image:Cc-sa.png|24px|Creative Commons Share Alike icon]]<br />
| ''[[:Image:{{PAGENAME}}|This image]] is licensed under the [[wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution Noncommercial ShareAlike License v. [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ 2.0]''<br />
|}<includeonly>[[Category:CC-BY-NC-SA Images|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Category:Image Copyright Templates|CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0]]</noinclude></div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Cc-by-NC-ND-2.0Template:Cc-by-NC-ND-2.02009-11-21T20:45:46Z<p>Roguebfl: Redirecting to Template:CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0</p>
<hr />
<div>#REDIRECT [[Template:CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Cc-by-NC-ND-2.0Template:Cc-by-NC-ND-2.02009-11-21T20:42:22Z<p>Roguebfl: Redirecting to Template:Cc-by-NC-SA-2.0</p>
<hr />
<div>#REDIRECT [[Template:Cc-by-NC-SA-2.0]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Cc-by-NC-SA-2.0Template:Cc-by-NC-SA-2.02009-11-21T20:41:30Z<p>Roguebfl: Redirecting to Template:CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0</p>
<hr />
<div>#REDIRECT [[Template:CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=File:3997538004_cf468002cd_b.jpgFile:3997538004 cf468002cd b.jpg2009-11-21T20:36:02Z<p>Roguebfl: /* Licensing */</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{Information<br />
| Description = Viking trio<br />
| Source = http:http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankfarm/3997538004/ on Flickr<br />
| Date = 9 October 2009<br />
| Author = http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankfarm/<br />
| Permission = See Below<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Licensing ==<br />
{{CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0}}</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Cc-by-NC-SA-2.0Template:Cc-by-NC-SA-2.02009-11-21T20:34:50Z<p>Roguebfl: Redirecting to Template:CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0</p>
<hr />
<div>#REDIRECT [[Template:CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0]]</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=List_of_AltSex_WikisList of AltSex Wikis2009-11-20T00:21:40Z<p>Roguebfl: </p>
<hr />
<div>This is a list of other Wikis covering [[alternate sexuality]] topics;<br />
<br />
* [http://www.absoluteenslavement.com/jsp/Wiki Absolute Enslavement wiki]<br />
* [http://anthrochatfurry.wikia.com/wiki/AnthroChat_furry_Wiki Anthrofurry] one of the more popular "furry" wikis, where "yiff" is included and discussed<br />
* [http://wiki.bmezine.com bmezine.com wiki] a wiki about piercing and body modification.<br />
* [http://www.femdomwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page Femdom Wiki] specializing in [[Femdom]] topics.<br />
* [http://lgbt.wikia.com LGBT Info] informational resource on lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender topics.<br />
* [http://www.seekdiscipline.com/wiki/ Seek Discipline!'s Wiki] contains articles about D/s, M/s, and related parts of BDSM.<br />
* [http://www.latexwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page LatexWki] specialises in rubber and latex fetish<br />
* [http://backdrop.net/sm-201/index.php?title=Main_Page SM-201.org] an online text book and resource guide for the BDSM community<br />
* [http://www.smiki.de SMiki] a German language [[BDSM]] wiki.<br />
* [http://spankingartwiki.animeotk.com/wiki/Main_Page Spankingart] Specialising in spanking<br />
* [http://www.wikiafterdark.com WikiAfterDark] What do you wanna do After Dark?<br />
* [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central WikiFur] the free encyclopaedia about, by, and for the [[Furry]] community.<br />
* [http://www.wikiporno.org Wikiporno] an open wiki version of the iafd.com (international adult film database) that focuses specifically on actual penetration porn though also has some fetish movies and performers included<br />
* [[Wipipedia]], covering [[fetish]] and [[BDSM]].<br />
* [http://www.kinkpedia.com/wiki/ Kinkpedia] Site for anyone interested in a fetish and other unusual sexual conduct. Soon to move to [http://www.collarandleash.com Collar and leash].<br />
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<div>Is this relevant in a fetish/BDSM wiki? [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 22:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
: No, merge with [[Nudity]]. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 12:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Done 8) &mdash;<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Birthday_suitBirthday suit2009-11-13T16:35:50Z<p>Roguebfl: Redirecting to Nudism</p>
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<div>'''Nudism''', or '''naturism''', is the practice of going nude or unclothed in social and usually mixed gender groups, specifically in cultures where this is not the norm. It sometimes occurs furtively in secluded places in countries where appearing naked in public is illegal, but enjoys widespread acceptance in other areas of the world. Those who practice nudism are called ''nudists'' or ''naturists''. Some people believe that being naked with other people is necessarily always sexual, or that nudism is morally wrong or [[pornographic]]. Naturists generally reject these views.<br />
Typical activities are sunbathing and sports, but some nudists prefer also to be nude while working etc., whenever the temperature and the social situation allows it (including when one is alone).<br />
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'''Birthday suit''' is a jocular term for nudity, derived from the phrase "naked as the day he was born".<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[Commando]]<br />
*[[Nudism in Spain]]<br />
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<div>'''Hidden clothes''' is the [[fetish]] of going out in public while wearing a fetish garment concealed under normal clothes. This may range from a man wearing [[panty fetish|panties]] as underwear to wearing a [[polo neck]] [[catsuit]] under sufficiently concealing clothes.<br />
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As a variant, part of the fetish item can be visible but in such a way as not to reveal its identity. Thus close-fitting [[thighboot]]s can be worn under trousers and appear to be normal boots. The lower part of a [[bodystocking]] looks like [[tights]], and the lower part of a [[lycra]] catsuit like [[leggings]] or opaque tights.<br />
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A similar fetish is to have a [[dildo]] or [[butt plug]] inserted before going out in public.<br />
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There may be a thrill in having a secret, and anticipation of what the wearer will be able to do when alone.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Diaper]]<br />
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<div>Wrestling.-[[User:Wrestler|Wrestler]] 14:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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{{GFDL-user|Wrestler}}</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Wipipedia.org_talk:Community_PortalWipipedia.org talk:Community Portal2009-06-28T07:11:52Z<p>Roguebfl: /* License Change */</p>
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===Images===<br />
I have just seen an [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Armbinder.jpg image] from here on Wikimedia. It has the [[GNU Free Documentation License]] attributed to it (user:Balzac) '''even though the image doesn't say so on this site'''. It IS reasonable to assume that unless an image has anything specific, it falls under the site's overall licence but I am not sure this is so in every case and I feel we really must go through all the images we have on this site putting copyright notices on them ALL. There are [[Help:templates|templates]] to assist. We might otherwise be exposed to quite severe penalties. I can start going through them myself but unless there is some annotation, the best I could do is remove the image (perhaps first putting it in a new category "''about to be deleted''" for a while). --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 07:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Non-consensuality vs BDSM==<br />
With all the publicity around about forced-labour and forced prostitution etc. I have little doubt that some people looking for links about <b>non</b>consensual slavery will end up on this site. It occurs to me that we should have a page on it, distancing this site and BDSM generally and pointing to other sites such as the BBC (I have the link somewhere) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery etc.<br />
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What does anyone else reckon and does anyone want to start it? I'm not sure what title for the topic would be best.<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:08, 11 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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Take a peek at [[slavery]] and see what you think. I don't think the site needs to take such a negative stance with something that is generally accepted (outside of BDSM anyways) to be an illegal activity. It's assumed outside the BDSM lifestyle that slavery is socially unacceptable. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 05:47:11, 2005-12-26 (GMT)<br />
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==Topic Labels - abbreviations or not?==<br />
Please see [[Talk:Safe, sane, and consensual]] for proposals I have in this area.<br />
--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 19:10, 28 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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==Topic Labels - Singular or plural==<br />
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We currently have a mixture. What is the 'correct' ruling for this? [[Cane]], [[Dildo]] and [[Paddle]] but [[Blindfolds]], [[Spreader bars]] and [[Violet wands]]. I can understand some things remaining 'plural' even if we have singular - [[Handcuffs]] for example because we don't use 'handcuff' as a noun. Similarly, if we go plural, some things will make easier reading in the singular, such as [[St Andrews cross]]. Nevertheless, I think it would make easier navigating and linking if we were consistent.<br />
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Again, much easier if we sort this out now rather than wait until there's many more links. Any ideas?<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 16:51, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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I try (most of the time) to use the singular. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 17:19, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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:Someone has already moved all three of your 'plural' pages to the 'singular' form. I've gone to the old redirect pages and redirected the links directly to the singular form of the word. I think that you should be bold and change any plurals that you think should be changed to the singular form. It doesn't take long to move a page from 'Blindfolds' to 'Blindfold' and it doesn't take long to hunt down the small number of pages that link to the old page. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 22:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: If the plural article exists, with a redirect from the singular, sometimes the software won't let you rename the plurl to the singular unless you're an admin. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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There are always redirects. I know they are a pain in the @ss, but they are very effective in keeping people from getting lost. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 05:50:07, 2005-12-26 (GMT)<br />
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: The pretty standard wiki convention is Article use singular when possible, as <nowiki>[[Paddle]]s</nowiki> becomes [[Paddle]]s, where it is much more annoying to go the other way (i.e. <nowiki>[[Spreader bars|Spreader bar]]</nowiki> )<br />
: Where as Categories use Plural. --[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] 18:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Technical flaw==<br />
I repeatedly found that the Search/Go functions did NOT contain the clickable link to start creating an article (just some coe, probably with a small but critical error in it), while that is still possible if one first creates a 'red link' in an existing article, so the actual creation routine must still be valid - probably a small task for an expert, but greatly needed! [[User:Kosmetès|Kosmetès]] 19:17:50, 2005-11-20 (GMT)<br />
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Thanks for pointiong that out. We upgraded to a new version of the software recently, there must still be some bugs to iron out! [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 23:12, 20 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Fixed it. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:32, 24 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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==Copying from Wikipedia==<br />
Now that this encyclopaedia is established, I really don't think there is benefit in copying vast amounts from Wikipedia, especially without any alterations to change the point-of-view, or to add anything specifically Fetish or BDSM to the content. Wikipedia will always have a greater number of readers and editors than this encyclopaedia and so will always be able to be better and more informative on the 'standard' aspects of things. I think there is far better value in letting Wikipedia handle the main topic (such as [[cat o'nine tails]]) while this encyclopaedia just handles the specific aspects of Fetish/BDSM and puts that perspective and meaning on topics. After all, if I wanted to really know the 'standard' definition and use of some word, I will use Wikipedia. I come here - and edit/contribute here - for the Fetish & BDSM context or information.<br />
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As a further note, we must ensure that we credit Wikipedia whenever we use copy from there, in accordance with the terms of its licence. See the template [[Template:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] and its [[Template_talk:Wikipedia|discussion page]].<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:53, 24 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Any chance of a bit more, well, community?<br />
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The community talk page is empty and hasn't been edited since November<br />
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I can't find any list of admins to talk to regarding general newbie questions and stuff<br />
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Come on, this could be so great a project if people pulled together a bit more.<br />
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--[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:17, 24 December 2005 (GMT) ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle The same Mistress Selina Kyle from Wikipedia])<br />
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>>>> P.S. Clicking the link above incorrectly displays that you're still on the '''Wipipedia''' website in the address bar, not '''Wikipedia''' - I guess this is because you are using frames to hide the lfhosting address - maybe you should make it so external links open automatically in a new window to avoid opening in a frame, or use "a href="whatever" target="_top"> to make it open ignoring the frame as a proper link.<br />
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alternately you might want to set up your website DNS to point directly to lfhosting instead of simply having a "frame" page on wipipedia.org that displays the real site, lfhosting in the frame: talk to your host if you don't know how to do this :)<br />
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Yeah, I know I'm clever. Thank me later. ;) :p --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:20, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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'''''Above message also on [[Talk:Main Page]] in hopes someone'll see it!''''' --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:22, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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== User Templates/Userboxes ==<br />
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I'm a member of the wikipedia userbox project (See[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Userboxes Wikiproject Userboxes]) and I think it might be a good idea to set up our own templates here, so that we can easily say what sexual fetishes etc we have, like or like to have. I've already got an idea to seperate the templates into topics, such as [[Alt Sex]], [[BDSM]], [[Bondage]], [[Clubs]], [[Fetishes]], [[Toys]] and [[Wipipedia]]. I created a link for it, [[WipiProject Userboxes]]. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 07:06, 24 May 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Wikipedia article on Wipipedia proposed for deletion ==<br />
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[[Wikipedia]] is thinking of deleting the article for [[Wikipedia:Wipipedia|Wipipedia]]. The article may be deleted on 23 June 2006 if the article is not improved. Please help improve our article! [[User:ISD|ISD]] 17:53, 18 June 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:I can't see how amending the article would help. They say it's a good article, but that this site is insufficiently notable to be worth an article. The thing to do is to get everyone we know who is a Wikipedia editor to say that it is a notable site. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 21:39, 18 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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The article has been kept! Thanks to everyone who helped save it. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 06:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Pornographic images==<br />
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We have had a number of posts of pornographic images to the site and I think we need to agree a policy regarding this. I have no problem with porn as such, and this is an adult orientated site but we do not have a splash screen warning users that they may come across pornographic images. It is also a UK hosted site so comes under UK jurisdiction in terms of obscene publication laws. My feeling is we should limit any images to softcore only and there must be a clear statement about the licence of any image uploaded to protect us against any possible claims from the image owner. Opinions please. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 17:29, 8 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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I'm comfortable with the images already posted. I feel that as long as the copyright is mentioned, then it is alright to post them. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 20:45, 8 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Wiki for Porn==<br />
Some of you might be interested to know that I'm working on [http://wikiforporn.org Wiki for Porn], it's a GFDL licensed Wiki, well, you guessed it, for porn. We will probably have some more explicit material on the site. And, since it's GFDL, some articles will be based on Wipipedia articles. It might even be cool to set up interwiki links on articles that are available on both wikis. [[User:Fantasia|Fantasia]] 08:24, 5 November 2006 (GMT)<br />
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==Fuck==<br />
Why is this word "nothing to do with BDSM" (and therefore deleted)? I thought [[User:MineShaft|MineShaft's]] final version was quite good (sorry, only admin can see deleted pages), linking as it did to three valid topics in Wipipedia and being synoptic (though perhaps the first sentence (opinion) could be removed). BDSM and fetish is, for many, largely about sensuality/sexuality and fucking is a major culmination of sexual activity. I'm all for un-deleting, ''at least until we can have a debate over it''. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 07:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:It's been deleted before. However, this is a community endeavour and if others want the article restored, please go ahead.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It has been restored and so far no-one has put any discussion on it about deletion. Maybe it will stay? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 05:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I've decided after much thought that I'm indifferent. It is probably slightly out of scope for Wipipedia, but some people would expect to find an article like it.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 14:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Re-fuck article [[Fuck]]; I will improve the fucking article. So bring it back; I promise to make it S&M sick.--[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 05:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Hard core porn images ==<br />
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We need copyright-free porn images to decorate our articles. For instance, I want some hard core [[scat fisting]] pix (been there, done that, but forgot to take Polaroids). I do have some Polaroids of me wrecked with five needles in each tit. Forgot to sign, so I do: --[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:We need to ensure that nothing breaches English obscenity laws, or there might be legal action against us. I would certainly delete anything I thought might get us into trouble. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 10:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Namespace==<br />
I've seen a couple of pages which I think belong in the Wipipedia: or Help: namespace. I haven't moved them since I'm still a little vague about what really belongs where, and why. However, both [[Editing policy]] and [[Edit wars]] are to do with maintaining the encyclopeadia rather than being content that belongs IN it. Should they be moved, and where? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 09:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I've moved Edit wars to Wipipedia space; I'm not sure about Editing policy.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 10:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Delete [[Maeoniae]]==<br />
I'm not even sure of the procedure to start a deletion discussion here, but the guy who started the article never really replied to my comments on [[Talk:Maeoniae]], and I very strongly suspect the whole thing is completely bogus. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 17:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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In my opinion it is a complete hoax, but to the author's credit, it is very well done. I added the section with the link to the wikipedia deletion discussion. Personally I am happy to leave it up as a bit of fun, providing we are not trying to pass it off un challenged. But if there is a consensus to delete then I won't object. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 21:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I'm in two minds about it and happy to go either way. On the general issue, I could easily start a VfD page.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 22:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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We don't have a specific procedure to propose deletions and, given the mess that Wikipedia is in some areas, I'm not sure that is such a bad thing on a smaller-scale encyclopedia like this: the talk pages should suffice. I've added my comments about deleting [[Maeoniae]] at [[Talk:Maeoniae]]<br />
. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 09:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I just think that if we want to keep it as an example of marvelous bullshit, then we should move it to "Story:Maeoniae" or whatever, and remove all pretenses and claims to encyclopedicity. I'm not sure that a brief header which vaguely casts suspicion on the article is quite adequate. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Moved it to "Story:". [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:17, 31 March 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Uploading images == <br />
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I don;t know if this is the right place, but i extended the articcle about chastity belts by copying the wikipedia=page. Problem: why aren't the pics visible? Where/how to load them? <br />
Please let me know: chastityslave22@hotmail.com, so i can correct this.<br><br />
{Comment by Chastityslave, 16:58, 7 May 2007}<br />
:I've had to revert you. We shouldn't just delete our article and replace it with the Wikipedia one. To upload photos, put them on your hard disk and click on "Upload file" on the list at the left of the screen.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 18:33, 7 May 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Forced homosexuality ==<br />
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Much to my disappointment, I can't find any articles on forced homosexuality [[User:Faustus Tacitus|Faustus Tacitus]] 23:29, 5 June 2007 (BST)<br />
:We tend to deal only with consensual activity here.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 18:58, 9 June 2007 (BST)<br />
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::Surely, BDSM forced homosexuality is a matter of "consensual non-consent" and the consensual aspect is not a reason for it not to appear. I would suppose that we simply haven't had anyone interested enough in the topic to even put in a few words about it. Why Faustus Tacitus hasn't done so is a puzzle to me. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 05:50, 14 June 2007 (BST)<br />
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==Categories==<br />
I think it is over time that we looked at our category structure. I have no wish to upset anyone with criticisms but I have a number of issues with the structure as it stands:<br />
* Some categories hardly ever stand on their own, always being with another. E.G. where there is [[:Category:Bondage]], there is almost always [[:Category:BDSM]]; this is a wasteful and confusing duplication.<br />
* Some sub-categories don't make much sense. E.G. we have [[:Category:BDSM equipment]] subset to [[:Category:Bondage]] even though not all under BDSM equipment is to do with bondage.<br />
* Far too much is under [[:Category:Other_Topics]]. 12 subcategories and 84 articles is, to me, indicative of an incorrect or incomplete structure.<br />
* When considering ''why'' someone might want to use categories (see below), the current structure often fails.<br />
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Points to consider:<br />
* This is an encyclopaedia on BDSM and fetish. We need clear topics explaining what those are (and the relationship between them, which I don't think we have) and should treat those topics as gateways, as they form natural top-level categories (but see below also). Unfortunately, while breaking down BDSM is easy, I personally am unsure how to break down Fetish, and our [[:Category:Fetish|category]] on it doesn't help (Body, Clothing, Objects?).<br />
* We can use categories any way we like and for multiple purposes.<br />
* We can use [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Namespace|namespaces]] and although these may seem more limiting, perhaps we should consider having some custom ones. How about one for ''Advice'' pages and another for ''Personal Experience'' pages?<br />
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There are a number of ways that categorisation might be useful:<br />
# To break down the components of terminology. This may help people who find they are interested in, for example, S&M, to follow a path on that specific category. (This is the easiest structure to build.)<br />
# To highlight an 'effect' path. Some want to understand about relationships, some want to know about sex, others about erotic fun etc.<br />
# To guide and assist newbies (and academic researchers). This would entail enabling them to approach subjects from common starting points, such as kinky sex, bondage, dressing up, role playing etc.<br />
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I'm willing to work up some recommendations for a new category structure '''if''' there is enough interest and a consensus on the ways we want to use categories. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 12:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:You are right to suggest that the categories need an overhaul. They were never fully thought through in the first place and as you say are contredictory and confusing in places. If you are up for suggesting a new structure I would be very supportive. I think what we should do is to map out the structure first, get agreement, and only then implement it. This is something that will take quite some time to do and I do feel that we should not rush in to make wholesale changes without having time to first fully consider any consequences of the changes. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 00:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Before mapping out the structure, we must know what the structure is trying to achieve. I mentioned (above) three ways that categorisation might be useful. I think we should try to cope with them all, even though that may mean that most topics will be under at least three categories, if not four or five. The disadvantage to this is that too complex a category structure may put people off from using it at all. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 16:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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There's no problem with having an article in more than one category. It would be silly to have a dozen categories in an article, but I can't see that happening.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 19:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:For what purposes do we want to use categories? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To allow people to find articles related to the one that they have just seen. If they have read an article on punishment, theyy may wish to see all such articles.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<font color='blue'>I'd like to take on a re-ordering of categories under BDSM. Initially, I'm thinking of creating/moving categories to suit the entire structure. Moving articles would be the second phase. Until the entire job is completed, the wipipedia categorisation will look a bit jumbled: as case of things getting worse before they can get better.<br />
I think that BDSM should be structured as follows:<br />
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Content<br />
:BDSM<br />
::Bondage<br />
::Discipline (rename Punishment to this - or include it under?)<br />
:::Punishment equipment<br />
::Domination and submission (should this remain "D/s"?)<br />
::Sadomasochism<br />
::BDSM equipment<br />
:::Gags<br />
:::Punishment equipment<br />
:::Sex toys<br />
:::Shopping (also under Fetish)<br />
::History (also under Fetish)<br />
also I'd like to bring in two new categories that cut across this hierarchy (do these belong under BDSM?):<br />
:Roleplaying<br />
:Relationships<br />
::: '''Please provide feedback on this proposal.''' --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 20:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</font><br />
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Looks good. Rather than BDSM equipment, should we have Bondage equipment (covering gags of course) and SM equipment? I would argue that sex toys should only be on Wipipedia if they are in one of these categories. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Equipemnt is a tricky area and I don't have a firm opinion. There is equipement used for bondage, for discipline, for S&M. There is also stuff used primarily to enhance D/s (though when I think about this, it is often clothing, and not necessarily fetish clothing). I wonder how often items would overlap these categories if we broke them down. A [[spanking bench]] for example, is something that can be used for restraint (bondage), used in Discipline and used as an aid in S&M. If many itmes would be in all categories there is no point splitting them that way. How about a split between toys and furniture, though? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A split between toys and furniture is cool. I think I was wrong before; for example, dildoes are not necessarily Bondage or SM. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Milowiki==<br />
I had never heard of [http://www.milovana.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Milowiki] until a Google search came up with it (ABOVE Wipipedia - what are we doing wrong?). It appears to be a [http://www.milovana.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=30&limit=100 replica] of 838 pages from here, with the only mention of Wipipedia being on the wiki main page. (I have not put Milowiki on the [[List of AltSex Wikis]] because they don't have anything extra to offer.) I think we should make an approach to them to credit Wipipedia properly, on every topic copied, but didn't want to step on any toes if this is an arrangement with people at LFS. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: They are technically compliant with GFDL, which only requires acknowledgement of the contributors, not Wipipedia itself. Since they have reproduced the whole edit history of each page, they have actually done more than if they had done a cut and paste of the text and just given a link back to the article here. However, it would be courteous to make more acknowledgement. Further, they seem not to have edited since February 2007 so in many cases the articles are not the latest versions. It is thus worrying if they come above us in a Google search.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::this is the first I have heard of it. The Wiki [art appears to be an add on to the site in the same way the the wipi is an add on to LFS (but theye don't seem to be as proctive!) I have no problem with them using our stuff (teh GDFL allows them to do so) but they should creit us correctly (as we do for the wikipedia) [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 21:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
It seems to be a redirect to something else now. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Effect of costumes on women?==<br />
I noticed [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/07/fancy_dress_research/ this article]: "It is rare to find any situation where women drink more than men, and these events tended to have sexualised themes and costumes.". A search on some of the text showed up other pages such as [http://www.physorg.com/news118598891.html this] and [http://www.medindia.com/news/Drinking-Games-and-Themed-Parties-Make-Young-Women-to-Drink-More-31471-1.htm this]. It's all outside my area of knowledge but does anyone want to work any it into a any article? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 12:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Is the suggestion that women drink a lot more when costumed but men don't? Preposterous!--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 12:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Persistent vandal ==<br />
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TrbocCnava, AclioLotrl and RelbaStroc are clearly the same person. They all did the same type of silly vandalism and edited from open proxies. Encyclopedist may also be the same person.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 21:25, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Image problem?==<br />
Uploaded a slightly tweaked version of [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]], and now it doesn't seem to be displaying correctly in article [[Kajira]]. The uploaded image is fine as a PNG, as far as I can tell... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:40, 16 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Tried to delete the "01:10, 4 August 2008" version of [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]] as a preliminary to fixing problems with the recent versions of this image, and couldnt... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 14:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've tried to upload images and found I can't. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 09:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I'm in the same boat --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 18:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, at least [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]] seems to be properly resizing now... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cite ==<br />
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I notice this wipi is lacking the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite] extension that allows <ref></ref> and <references /> you might want to consider adding it. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 18:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the above. Citations would help readers work out exactly which source each fact comes from.<br />
:(Over at Wikipedia, the delitionists are actually attacking articles, specifically because they are badly citated. The anti-delitionists are having a hard time at defending facts, because they are effectively needing to repete the research that the original author did when creating the article under attack.) I don't expect Wipipedia to get its own delitionists, but if anyone researching sex for a degree surfed onto this website, it would be good for them to be able to use the citations inside articles to surf onto research papers and other technical sources of sexual information. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 22:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Just adding some references at the end of the article would help. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: Not really. As you have no clue which fact is being sourced that way. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 00:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: True, but it would be better than nothing and would require no software upgrade. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: It works as a stop gap, but if you have access to the account the wiki is running on it actually rather trivial to install extensions (think plug-in rather than update). --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Broken image in [[Template:User_uniform|Uniform User Template]] ==<br />
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I was surfing around the user templates, when trying to find some that I might want to put onto my user page, and found that the above template had a broken image. The original image [[Image:Uniform.jpg]] was pulled off the wiki because someone withdrew permission.<br />
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As a temporary fix, I've linked the template over to the image from the [[Template:User school|School Uniform User Template]] but in the long term, it might be better if someone could find a new uniform picture to put into the Uniform User Template. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 23:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I've altered that to the photo in [[Uniform fetish]]. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== New category ==<br />
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Think it would be useful to have a centralized category for flags, emblems, symbols, and signals of various kinds... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Yes, that makes sense. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 08:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: How about [[:Category:Symbols]] as the category name? --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Started [[:Category:Symbols and signals]] to try to be comprehensive. It might be good to copy Wikipedia article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_O Ring of O] over here... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: The thing is all signals ''are'' symbols, so it not more comprehend to add it ans a secondary word, even words and letters are symbols for sounds, and words are symbols for concepts and meanings. All the "and signals" adds is possibly of getting the category name wrong. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 21:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::You may be right, but I wasn't sure that people would think that things such as the Hanky Code are "symbols"... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Such unsureness can be elaborated on in the Category description. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 01:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Further category note==<br />
<s>Wonder why we have [[:Category:Men]], but no [[:Category:Women]]? [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
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Scratch that, we did have it, but the category itself was miscategorized... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Sorry I missed that what I work on category structure. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 09:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Merger?==<br />
Articles [[Usenet]] and [[Newsgroup]] should probably be merged and slightly condensed, and the BDSM history aspect further expanded, but I don't really feel up to it at the moment... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 03:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== License Change ==<br />
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With a new version of [[GFDL]] an one time option of changes it [[CC-BY-SA]] was available. Wikipedia and it's sister projects made the switch. I would recommend that we do the same. <br />
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GFDL requires a complete version of the license to be distributed with every copy. (which is ~5 page printout) CC-BY-SA only requires a notice on the license it is under. That later is much more inline with how how this wiki does things. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 21:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: It's a pretty big change and it might have implications for our parent site www.londonfetishscene.com. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 21:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm fairly sure the change has to be ''completed'' by August 1st. I don't like to throw cold water on something which undeniably would have some positive effects, but for a small project like ours, with no staff and no real access to legal advice, unless we have a very enthusiastic volunteer who would be willing to take on quite a bit of work, and has been given access to tinker with the configuration parameters of the Wikimedia software (to change the messages that appear beneath edit forms, etc.), then by far the safest alternative would be simply to do nothing... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 23:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Actually nothing need to be changed software wise. Those pages you pointed out all wiki pages, not software pages. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 23:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::We're currently stretching things by not including a sentence such as "By clicking the submit button, you agree to license your contributions under the GFDL" -- and if we were to do something complex like change to dual licensing without indicating the licensing terms in the edit forms, then we would be stretching even further what is already probably stretched a little bit too far. The change could backfire if it's not done well, and what is really needed is someone willing to work on all the details necessary to make sure it goes well, and for that person to be fairly quickly be given access to change the software configuration parameters (reasonably in advance of the impending deadline). [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Is this change retrospective? If not, it will be very confusing knowing what's GFDL and what's CC. If it is retrospective, could someone ever complain that they had granted GFDL but were not happy about CC? (Some people are perverse.)--[[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 19:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: It is retrospective, but Images are given a separate license to the main text (i.e. images are licensed individually where as the text of the wiki is licensed collectively) So the main things is to only move the wiki's license and leave the individual changes to images up to the owners. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
At a glance, the effects of the GFDL and the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License CC-BY-SA]] are similar. Has anyone looked through them to compare and summarise the differences? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: {{Wikipedia-ref|Wikipedia:Comparison_of_GFDL_and_CC-BY-SA}} <br />
: But the main reason I'm recommended the change is:<br />
:# The GFDL can require front or back cover texts, and force people to preserve invariant sections. The GFDL also requires users to "Preserve any Warranty Disclaimers" such as Wikipedia's General disclaimer for example.<br />
:# The GFDL absolutely requires that distribution be accompanied by the full text of the license (much like its sister for software, the GPL)<br />
: Both of which we are lax on complying with. But CC-BY-SA requirements matches our current practices --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A lot of our photos were copied from [[Wikimedia Commons]], [[SMiki]] Commons and [[Latexwiki]] under GFDL so we'd have to change our licensing if they do. I fear though that SMiki Commons is dead. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Well just rembed Photo will be case by case changes --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 01:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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There appear to be several misconceptions here. First, the change is from GFDL to '''dual licensing''', so that an end-user will be able to choose either GFDL or CC-SA (whichever is most convenient or preferred). The GFDL is not going away. So this means that photos at Wikimedia Commons will never have fewer licensing options than they had before. They may have additional licensing options, but the ones that existed previously will still be there.<br />
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Second, all that about GFDL "invariant sections" and "cover texts" is really irrelevant for us here. We can choose to reject contributions whose uploaders insist on "invariant sections" and/or "cover texts", and that's the end of it. No contributor can force "invariant section" or "cover text" provisos onto content generated by any other contributor.<br />
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Third, text contributions are in fact licensed by the individual editors (that's the point of including the license terms in the edit forms).<br />
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Fourth, on Wikimedia Foundation wikis (Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons), traditionally every page has linked to [[GFDL]], and there also have been links to image description pages and article edit history pages -- and for a number of years, this was considered "good enough" in sastifying the GFDL requirements, as long as the GFDL-licensed information stayed on the Wiki (if the content were to be copied to another publicly-accessible website, that might be another matter).<br />
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Fifth, Smiki Commons kind of lost most of its point when the English Smiki site never gained momentum, but if you have a serious concern about Smiki Commons, then you can leave a message on the talk page of the main page of Smiki.de (i.e. http://www.smiki.de/Diskussion:Hauptseite ) and there's good chance of receiving a reply. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: It this forth point that key. Because LOOK at our pages... WE don't do this. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 02:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::If this site is not in full technical compliance with GFDL licensing terms, then switching to dual-licensing will not by itself fix such problems (and the change to dual licensing may involve many additional issues which we are not well-equipped to handle). I recommend that Balzac add the following text to edit forms: ''"By submitting an edit, you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2, 1.3, or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts. Re-users will be required to credit you, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL to the article you are contributing to, and you hereby agree that such credit is sufficient in any medium."'' This will be a significant good-faith gesture towards GFDL compliance... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 16:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Actually on [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Licensing_update_June_19,_2009 further reading] dual licensing is an option, NOT a requirement. You can switch ''fully'' over CC-BY-SA. and the long and the short of is CC-BY-SA IS better for reference material, easier to understand, available in multiple languages (GFDL is only available in American (legal) English), and most important complaince is exactly in line with how we do things. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A complete howto is [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Outreach here]. Thought most of the software steps don't need to be taken, because this this site does not use the standard GFDL settings --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 07:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Roguebflhttp://wipipedia.org/index.php?title=Wipipedia.org_talk:Community_PortalWipipedia.org talk:Community Portal2009-06-28T06:52:45Z<p>Roguebfl: /* License Change */</p>
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===Images===<br />
I have just seen an [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Armbinder.jpg image] from here on Wikimedia. It has the [[GNU Free Documentation License]] attributed to it (user:Balzac) '''even though the image doesn't say so on this site'''. It IS reasonable to assume that unless an image has anything specific, it falls under the site's overall licence but I am not sure this is so in every case and I feel we really must go through all the images we have on this site putting copyright notices on them ALL. There are [[Help:templates|templates]] to assist. We might otherwise be exposed to quite severe penalties. I can start going through them myself but unless there is some annotation, the best I could do is remove the image (perhaps first putting it in a new category "''about to be deleted''" for a while). --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 07:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Non-consensuality vs BDSM==<br />
With all the publicity around about forced-labour and forced prostitution etc. I have little doubt that some people looking for links about <b>non</b>consensual slavery will end up on this site. It occurs to me that we should have a page on it, distancing this site and BDSM generally and pointing to other sites such as the BBC (I have the link somewhere) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery etc.<br />
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What does anyone else reckon and does anyone want to start it? I'm not sure what title for the topic would be best.<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:08, 11 May 2005 (BST)<br />
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Take a peek at [[slavery]] and see what you think. I don't think the site needs to take such a negative stance with something that is generally accepted (outside of BDSM anyways) to be an illegal activity. It's assumed outside the BDSM lifestyle that slavery is socially unacceptable. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 05:47:11, 2005-12-26 (GMT)<br />
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==Topic Labels - abbreviations or not?==<br />
Please see [[Talk:Safe, sane, and consensual]] for proposals I have in this area.<br />
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==Topic Labels - Singular or plural==<br />
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We currently have a mixture. What is the 'correct' ruling for this? [[Cane]], [[Dildo]] and [[Paddle]] but [[Blindfolds]], [[Spreader bars]] and [[Violet wands]]. I can understand some things remaining 'plural' even if we have singular - [[Handcuffs]] for example because we don't use 'handcuff' as a noun. Similarly, if we go plural, some things will make easier reading in the singular, such as [[St Andrews cross]]. Nevertheless, I think it would make easier navigating and linking if we were consistent.<br />
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Again, much easier if we sort this out now rather than wait until there's many more links. Any ideas?<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 16:51, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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I try (most of the time) to use the singular. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 17:19, 20 Jun 2005 (BST)<br />
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:Someone has already moved all three of your 'plural' pages to the 'singular' form. I've gone to the old redirect pages and redirected the links directly to the singular form of the word. I think that you should be bold and change any plurals that you think should be changed to the singular form. It doesn't take long to move a page from 'Blindfolds' to 'Blindfold' and it doesn't take long to hunt down the small number of pages that link to the old page. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 22:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: If the plural article exists, with a redirect from the singular, sometimes the software won't let you rename the plurl to the singular unless you're an admin. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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There are always redirects. I know they are a pain in the @ss, but they are very effective in keeping people from getting lost. --[[User:ViciousLover|Vicious Lover]] 05:50:07, 2005-12-26 (GMT)<br />
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: The pretty standard wiki convention is Article use singular when possible, as <nowiki>[[Paddle]]s</nowiki> becomes [[Paddle]]s, where it is much more annoying to go the other way (i.e. <nowiki>[[Spreader bars|Spreader bar]]</nowiki> )<br />
: Where as Categories use Plural. --[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] 18:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Technical flaw==<br />
I repeatedly found that the Search/Go functions did NOT contain the clickable link to start creating an article (just some coe, probably with a small but critical error in it), while that is still possible if one first creates a 'red link' in an existing article, so the actual creation routine must still be valid - probably a small task for an expert, but greatly needed! [[User:Kosmetès|Kosmetès]] 19:17:50, 2005-11-20 (GMT)<br />
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Thanks for pointiong that out. We upgraded to a new version of the software recently, there must still be some bugs to iron out! [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 23:12, 20 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Fixed it. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:32, 24 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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==Copying from Wikipedia==<br />
Now that this encyclopaedia is established, I really don't think there is benefit in copying vast amounts from Wikipedia, especially without any alterations to change the point-of-view, or to add anything specifically Fetish or BDSM to the content. Wikipedia will always have a greater number of readers and editors than this encyclopaedia and so will always be able to be better and more informative on the 'standard' aspects of things. I think there is far better value in letting Wikipedia handle the main topic (such as [[cat o'nine tails]]) while this encyclopaedia just handles the specific aspects of Fetish/BDSM and puts that perspective and meaning on topics. After all, if I wanted to really know the 'standard' definition and use of some word, I will use Wikipedia. I come here - and edit/contribute here - for the Fetish & BDSM context or information.<br />
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As a further note, we must ensure that we credit Wikipedia whenever we use copy from there, in accordance with the terms of its licence. See the template [[Template:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] and its [[Template_talk:Wikipedia|discussion page]].<br />
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--[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 18:53, 24 November 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Any chance of a bit more, well, community?<br />
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The community talk page is empty and hasn't been edited since November<br />
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I can't find any list of admins to talk to regarding general newbie questions and stuff<br />
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Come on, this could be so great a project if people pulled together a bit more.<br />
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--[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:17, 24 December 2005 (GMT) ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle The same Mistress Selina Kyle from Wikipedia])<br />
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>>>> P.S. Clicking the link above incorrectly displays that you're still on the '''Wipipedia''' website in the address bar, not '''Wikipedia''' - I guess this is because you are using frames to hide the lfhosting address - maybe you should make it so external links open automatically in a new window to avoid opening in a frame, or use "a href="whatever" target="_top"> to make it open ignoring the frame as a proper link.<br />
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alternately you might want to set up your website DNS to point directly to lfhosting instead of simply having a "frame" page on wipipedia.org that displays the real site, lfhosting in the frame: talk to your host if you don't know how to do this :)<br />
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Yeah, I know I'm clever. Thank me later. ;) :p --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:20, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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'''''Above message also on [[Talk:Main Page]] in hopes someone'll see it!''''' --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 13:22, 24 December 2005 (GMT)<br />
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== User Templates/Userboxes ==<br />
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I'm a member of the wikipedia userbox project (See[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Userboxes Wikiproject Userboxes]) and I think it might be a good idea to set up our own templates here, so that we can easily say what sexual fetishes etc we have, like or like to have. I've already got an idea to seperate the templates into topics, such as [[Alt Sex]], [[BDSM]], [[Bondage]], [[Clubs]], [[Fetishes]], [[Toys]] and [[Wipipedia]]. I created a link for it, [[WipiProject Userboxes]]. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 07:06, 24 May 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Wikipedia article on Wipipedia proposed for deletion ==<br />
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[[Wikipedia]] is thinking of deleting the article for [[Wikipedia:Wipipedia|Wipipedia]]. The article may be deleted on 23 June 2006 if the article is not improved. Please help improve our article! [[User:ISD|ISD]] 17:53, 18 June 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:I can't see how amending the article would help. They say it's a good article, but that this site is insufficiently notable to be worth an article. The thing to do is to get everyone we know who is a Wikipedia editor to say that it is a notable site. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 21:39, 18 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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The article has been kept! Thanks to everyone who helped save it. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 06:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Pornographic images==<br />
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We have had a number of posts of pornographic images to the site and I think we need to agree a policy regarding this. I have no problem with porn as such, and this is an adult orientated site but we do not have a splash screen warning users that they may come across pornographic images. It is also a UK hosted site so comes under UK jurisdiction in terms of obscene publication laws. My feeling is we should limit any images to softcore only and there must be a clear statement about the licence of any image uploaded to protect us against any possible claims from the image owner. Opinions please. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 17:29, 8 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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I'm comfortable with the images already posted. I feel that as long as the copyright is mentioned, then it is alright to post them. [[User:ISD|ISD]] 20:45, 8 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Wiki for Porn==<br />
Some of you might be interested to know that I'm working on [http://wikiforporn.org Wiki for Porn], it's a GFDL licensed Wiki, well, you guessed it, for porn. We will probably have some more explicit material on the site. And, since it's GFDL, some articles will be based on Wipipedia articles. It might even be cool to set up interwiki links on articles that are available on both wikis. [[User:Fantasia|Fantasia]] 08:24, 5 November 2006 (GMT)<br />
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==Fuck==<br />
Why is this word "nothing to do with BDSM" (and therefore deleted)? I thought [[User:MineShaft|MineShaft's]] final version was quite good (sorry, only admin can see deleted pages), linking as it did to three valid topics in Wipipedia and being synoptic (though perhaps the first sentence (opinion) could be removed). BDSM and fetish is, for many, largely about sensuality/sexuality and fucking is a major culmination of sexual activity. I'm all for un-deleting, ''at least until we can have a debate over it''. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 07:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:It's been deleted before. However, this is a community endeavour and if others want the article restored, please go ahead.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It has been restored and so far no-one has put any discussion on it about deletion. Maybe it will stay? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 05:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I've decided after much thought that I'm indifferent. It is probably slightly out of scope for Wipipedia, but some people would expect to find an article like it.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 14:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Re-fuck article [[Fuck]]; I will improve the fucking article. So bring it back; I promise to make it S&M sick.--[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 05:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Hard core porn images ==<br />
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We need copyright-free porn images to decorate our articles. For instance, I want some hard core [[scat fisting]] pix (been there, done that, but forgot to take Polaroids). I do have some Polaroids of me wrecked with five needles in each tit. Forgot to sign, so I do: --[[User:MineShaft|MineShaft]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:We need to ensure that nothing breaches English obscenity laws, or there might be legal action against us. I would certainly delete anything I thought might get us into trouble. --[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 10:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Namespace==<br />
I've seen a couple of pages which I think belong in the Wipipedia: or Help: namespace. I haven't moved them since I'm still a little vague about what really belongs where, and why. However, both [[Editing policy]] and [[Edit wars]] are to do with maintaining the encyclopeadia rather than being content that belongs IN it. Should they be moved, and where? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 09:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I've moved Edit wars to Wipipedia space; I'm not sure about Editing policy.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 10:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Delete [[Maeoniae]]==<br />
I'm not even sure of the procedure to start a deletion discussion here, but the guy who started the article never really replied to my comments on [[Talk:Maeoniae]], and I very strongly suspect the whole thing is completely bogus. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 17:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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In my opinion it is a complete hoax, but to the author's credit, it is very well done. I added the section with the link to the wikipedia deletion discussion. Personally I am happy to leave it up as a bit of fun, providing we are not trying to pass it off un challenged. But if there is a consensus to delete then I won't object. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 21:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I'm in two minds about it and happy to go either way. On the general issue, I could easily start a VfD page.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 22:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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We don't have a specific procedure to propose deletions and, given the mess that Wikipedia is in some areas, I'm not sure that is such a bad thing on a smaller-scale encyclopedia like this: the talk pages should suffice. I've added my comments about deleting [[Maeoniae]] at [[Talk:Maeoniae]]<br />
. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 09:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I just think that if we want to keep it as an example of marvelous bullshit, then we should move it to "Story:Maeoniae" or whatever, and remove all pretenses and claims to encyclopedicity. I'm not sure that a brief header which vaguely casts suspicion on the article is quite adequate. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Moved it to "Story:". [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:17, 31 March 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Uploading images == <br />
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I don;t know if this is the right place, but i extended the articcle about chastity belts by copying the wikipedia=page. Problem: why aren't the pics visible? Where/how to load them? <br />
Please let me know: chastityslave22@hotmail.com, so i can correct this.<br><br />
{Comment by Chastityslave, 16:58, 7 May 2007}<br />
:I've had to revert you. We shouldn't just delete our article and replace it with the Wikipedia one. To upload photos, put them on your hard disk and click on "Upload file" on the list at the left of the screen.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 18:33, 7 May 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Forced homosexuality ==<br />
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Much to my disappointment, I can't find any articles on forced homosexuality [[User:Faustus Tacitus|Faustus Tacitus]] 23:29, 5 June 2007 (BST)<br />
:We tend to deal only with consensual activity here.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 18:58, 9 June 2007 (BST)<br />
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::Surely, BDSM forced homosexuality is a matter of "consensual non-consent" and the consensual aspect is not a reason for it not to appear. I would suppose that we simply haven't had anyone interested enough in the topic to even put in a few words about it. Why Faustus Tacitus hasn't done so is a puzzle to me. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 05:50, 14 June 2007 (BST)<br />
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==Categories==<br />
I think it is over time that we looked at our category structure. I have no wish to upset anyone with criticisms but I have a number of issues with the structure as it stands:<br />
* Some categories hardly ever stand on their own, always being with another. E.G. where there is [[:Category:Bondage]], there is almost always [[:Category:BDSM]]; this is a wasteful and confusing duplication.<br />
* Some sub-categories don't make much sense. E.G. we have [[:Category:BDSM equipment]] subset to [[:Category:Bondage]] even though not all under BDSM equipment is to do with bondage.<br />
* Far too much is under [[:Category:Other_Topics]]. 12 subcategories and 84 articles is, to me, indicative of an incorrect or incomplete structure.<br />
* When considering ''why'' someone might want to use categories (see below), the current structure often fails.<br />
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Points to consider:<br />
* This is an encyclopaedia on BDSM and fetish. We need clear topics explaining what those are (and the relationship between them, which I don't think we have) and should treat those topics as gateways, as they form natural top-level categories (but see below also). Unfortunately, while breaking down BDSM is easy, I personally am unsure how to break down Fetish, and our [[:Category:Fetish|category]] on it doesn't help (Body, Clothing, Objects?).<br />
* We can use categories any way we like and for multiple purposes.<br />
* We can use [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Namespace|namespaces]] and although these may seem more limiting, perhaps we should consider having some custom ones. How about one for ''Advice'' pages and another for ''Personal Experience'' pages?<br />
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There are a number of ways that categorisation might be useful:<br />
# To break down the components of terminology. This may help people who find they are interested in, for example, S&M, to follow a path on that specific category. (This is the easiest structure to build.)<br />
# To highlight an 'effect' path. Some want to understand about relationships, some want to know about sex, others about erotic fun etc.<br />
# To guide and assist newbies (and academic researchers). This would entail enabling them to approach subjects from common starting points, such as kinky sex, bondage, dressing up, role playing etc.<br />
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I'm willing to work up some recommendations for a new category structure '''if''' there is enough interest and a consensus on the ways we want to use categories. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 12:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:You are right to suggest that the categories need an overhaul. They were never fully thought through in the first place and as you say are contredictory and confusing in places. If you are up for suggesting a new structure I would be very supportive. I think what we should do is to map out the structure first, get agreement, and only then implement it. This is something that will take quite some time to do and I do feel that we should not rush in to make wholesale changes without having time to first fully consider any consequences of the changes. [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 00:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Before mapping out the structure, we must know what the structure is trying to achieve. I mentioned (above) three ways that categorisation might be useful. I think we should try to cope with them all, even though that may mean that most topics will be under at least three categories, if not four or five. The disadvantage to this is that too complex a category structure may put people off from using it at all. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 16:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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There's no problem with having an article in more than one category. It would be silly to have a dozen categories in an article, but I can't see that happening.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 19:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:For what purposes do we want to use categories? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To allow people to find articles related to the one that they have just seen. If they have read an article on punishment, theyy may wish to see all such articles.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<font color='blue'>I'd like to take on a re-ordering of categories under BDSM. Initially, I'm thinking of creating/moving categories to suit the entire structure. Moving articles would be the second phase. Until the entire job is completed, the wipipedia categorisation will look a bit jumbled: as case of things getting worse before they can get better.<br />
I think that BDSM should be structured as follows:<br />
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Content<br />
:BDSM<br />
::Bondage<br />
::Discipline (rename Punishment to this - or include it under?)<br />
:::Punishment equipment<br />
::Domination and submission (should this remain "D/s"?)<br />
::Sadomasochism<br />
::BDSM equipment<br />
:::Gags<br />
:::Punishment equipment<br />
:::Sex toys<br />
:::Shopping (also under Fetish)<br />
::History (also under Fetish)<br />
also I'd like to bring in two new categories that cut across this hierarchy (do these belong under BDSM?):<br />
:Roleplaying<br />
:Relationships<br />
::: '''Please provide feedback on this proposal.''' --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 20:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</font><br />
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Looks good. Rather than BDSM equipment, should we have Bondage equipment (covering gags of course) and SM equipment? I would argue that sex toys should only be on Wipipedia if they are in one of these categories. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Equipemnt is a tricky area and I don't have a firm opinion. There is equipement used for bondage, for discipline, for S&M. There is also stuff used primarily to enhance D/s (though when I think about this, it is often clothing, and not necessarily fetish clothing). I wonder how often items would overlap these categories if we broke them down. A [[spanking bench]] for example, is something that can be used for restraint (bondage), used in Discipline and used as an aid in S&M. If many itmes would be in all categories there is no point splitting them that way. How about a split between toys and furniture, though? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 14:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A split between toys and furniture is cool. I think I was wrong before; for example, dildoes are not necessarily Bondage or SM. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Milowiki==<br />
I had never heard of [http://www.milovana.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Milowiki] until a Google search came up with it (ABOVE Wipipedia - what are we doing wrong?). It appears to be a [http://www.milovana.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=30&limit=100 replica] of 838 pages from here, with the only mention of Wipipedia being on the wiki main page. (I have not put Milowiki on the [[List of AltSex Wikis]] because they don't have anything extra to offer.) I think we should make an approach to them to credit Wipipedia properly, on every topic copied, but didn't want to step on any toes if this is an arrangement with people at LFS. --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: They are technically compliant with GFDL, which only requires acknowledgement of the contributors, not Wipipedia itself. Since they have reproduced the whole edit history of each page, they have actually done more than if they had done a cut and paste of the text and just given a link back to the article here. However, it would be courteous to make more acknowledgement. Further, they seem not to have edited since February 2007 so in many cases the articles are not the latest versions. It is thus worrying if they come above us in a Google search.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 20:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::this is the first I have heard of it. The Wiki [art appears to be an add on to the site in the same way the the wipi is an add on to LFS (but theye don't seem to be as proctive!) I have no problem with them using our stuff (teh GDFL allows them to do so) but they should creit us correctly (as we do for the wikipedia) [[User:Balzac|Balzac]] 21:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
It seems to be a redirect to something else now. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 20:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Effect of costumes on women?==<br />
I noticed [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/07/fancy_dress_research/ this article]: "It is rare to find any situation where women drink more than men, and these events tended to have sexualised themes and costumes.". A search on some of the text showed up other pages such as [http://www.physorg.com/news118598891.html this] and [http://www.medindia.com/news/Drinking-Games-and-Themed-Parties-Make-Young-Women-to-Drink-More-31471-1.htm this]. It's all outside my area of knowledge but does anyone want to work any it into a any article? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 12:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Is the suggestion that women drink a lot more when costumed but men don't? Preposterous!--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 12:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Persistent vandal ==<br />
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TrbocCnava, AclioLotrl and RelbaStroc are clearly the same person. They all did the same type of silly vandalism and edited from open proxies. Encyclopedist may also be the same person.--[[User:Taxwoman|Taxwoman]] 21:25, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Image problem?==<br />
Uploaded a slightly tweaked version of [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]], and now it doesn't seem to be displaying correctly in article [[Kajira]]. The uploaded image is fine as a PNG, as far as I can tell... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:40, 16 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Tried to delete the "01:10, 4 August 2008" version of [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]] as a preliminary to fixing problems with the recent versions of this image, and couldnt... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 14:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've tried to upload images and found I can't. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 09:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I'm in the same boat --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 18:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, at least [[:Image:Kajira-kef.png]] seems to be properly resizing now... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cite ==<br />
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I notice this wipi is lacking the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite] extension that allows <ref></ref> and <references /> you might want to consider adding it. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 18:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the above. Citations would help readers work out exactly which source each fact comes from.<br />
:(Over at Wikipedia, the delitionists are actually attacking articles, specifically because they are badly citated. The anti-delitionists are having a hard time at defending facts, because they are effectively needing to repete the research that the original author did when creating the article under attack.) I don't expect Wipipedia to get its own delitionists, but if anyone researching sex for a degree surfed onto this website, it would be good for them to be able to use the citations inside articles to surf onto research papers and other technical sources of sexual information. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 22:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Just adding some references at the end of the article would help. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: Not really. As you have no clue which fact is being sourced that way. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 00:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: True, but it would be better than nothing and would require no software upgrade. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: It works as a stop gap, but if you have access to the account the wiki is running on it actually rather trivial to install extensions (think plug-in rather than update). --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Broken image in [[Template:User_uniform|Uniform User Template]] ==<br />
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I was surfing around the user templates, when trying to find some that I might want to put onto my user page, and found that the above template had a broken image. The original image [[Image:Uniform.jpg]] was pulled off the wiki because someone withdrew permission.<br />
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As a temporary fix, I've linked the template over to the image from the [[Template:User school|School Uniform User Template]] but in the long term, it might be better if someone could find a new uniform picture to put into the Uniform User Template. [[User:Big Birdwatching Bob|Big Birdwatching Bob]] 23:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I've altered that to the photo in [[Uniform fetish]]. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 07:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== New category ==<br />
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Think it would be useful to have a centralized category for flags, emblems, symbols, and signals of various kinds... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 00:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Yes, that makes sense. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 08:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: How about [[:Category:Symbols]] as the category name? --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Started [[:Category:Symbols and signals]] to try to be comprehensive. It might be good to copy Wikipedia article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_O Ring of O] over here... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: The thing is all signals ''are'' symbols, so it not more comprehend to add it ans a secondary word, even words and letters are symbols for sounds, and words are symbols for concepts and meanings. All the "and signals" adds is possibly of getting the category name wrong. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 21:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::You may be right, but I wasn't sure that people would think that things such as the Hanky Code are "symbols"... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 18:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Such unsureness can be elaborated on in the Category description. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 01:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Further category note==<br />
<s>Wonder why we have [[:Category:Men]], but no [[:Category:Women]]? [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
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Scratch that, we did have it, but the category itself was miscategorized... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 07:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Sorry I missed that what I work on category structure. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 09:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Merger?==<br />
Articles [[Usenet]] and [[Newsgroup]] should probably be merged and slightly condensed, and the BDSM history aspect further expanded, but I don't really feel up to it at the moment... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 03:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== License Change ==<br />
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With a new version of [[GFDL]] an one time option of changes it [[CC-BY-SA]] was available. Wikipedia and it's sister projects made the switch. I would recommend that we do the same. <br />
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GFDL requires a complete version of the license to be distributed with every copy. (which is ~5 page printout) CC-BY-SA only requires a notice on the license it is under. That later is much more inline with how how this wiki does things. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 21:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: It's a pretty big change and it might have implications for our parent site www.londonfetishscene.com. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 21:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm fairly sure the change has to be ''completed'' by August 1st. I don't like to throw cold water on something which undeniably would have some positive effects, but for a small project like ours, with no staff and no real access to legal advice, unless we have a very enthusiastic volunteer who would be willing to take on quite a bit of work, and has been given access to tinker with the configuration parameters of the Wikimedia software (to change the messages that appear beneath edit forms, etc.), then by far the safest alternative would be simply to do nothing... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 23:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Actually nothing need to be changed software wise. Those pages you pointed out all wiki pages, not software pages. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 23:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::We're currently stretching things by not including a sentence such as "By clicking the submit button, you agree to license your contributions under the GFDL" -- and if we were to do something complex like change to dual licensing without indicating the licensing terms in the edit forms, then we would be stretching even further what is already probably stretched a little bit too far. The change could backfire if it's not done well, and what is really needed is someone willing to work on all the details necessary to make sure it goes well, and for that person to be fairly quickly be given access to change the software configuration parameters (reasonably in advance of the impending deadline). [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Is this change retrospective? If not, it will be very confusing knowing what's GFDL and what's CC. If it is retrospective, could someone ever complain that they had granted GFDL but were not happy about CC? (Some people are perverse.)--[[User:Speedoslover|Speedoslover]] 19:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: It is retrospective, but Images are given a separate license to the main text (i.e. images are licensed individually where as the text of the wiki is licensed collectively) So the main things is to only move the wiki's license and leave the individual changes to images up to the owners. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
At a glance, the effects of the GFDL and the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License CC-BY-SA]] are similar. Has anyone looked through them to compare and summarise the differences? --[[User:Interesdom|Interesdom]] 11:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: {{Wikipedia-ref|Wikipedia:Comparison_of_GFDL_and_CC-BY-SA}} <br />
: But the main reason I'm recommended the change is:<br />
:# The GFDL can require front or back cover texts, and force people to preserve invariant sections. The GFDL also requires users to "Preserve any Warranty Disclaimers" such as Wikipedia's General disclaimer for example.<br />
:# The GFDL absolutely requires that distribution be accompanied by the full text of the license (much like its sister for software, the GPL)<br />
: Both of which we are lax on complying with. But CC-BY-SA requirements matches our current practices --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A lot of our photos were copied from [[Wikimedia Commons]], [[SMiki]] Commons and [[Latexwiki]] under GFDL so we'd have to change our licensing if they do. I fear though that SMiki Commons is dead. [[User:Ropeuser|Ropeuser]] 22:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Well just rembed Photo will be case by case changes --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 01:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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There appear to be several misconceptions here. First, the change is from GFDL to '''dual licensing''', so that an end-user will be able to choose either GFDL or CC-SA (whichever is most convenient or preferred). The GFDL is not going away. So this means that photos at Wikimedia Commons will never have fewer licensing options than they had before. They may have additional licensing options, but the ones that existed previously will still be there.<br />
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Second, all that about GFDL "invariant sections" and "cover texts" is really irrelevant for us here. We can choose to reject contributions whose uploaders insist on "invariant sections" and/or "cover texts", and that's the end of it. No contributor can force "invariant section" or "cover text" provisos onto content generated by any other contributor.<br />
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Third, text contributions are in fact licensed by the individual editors (that's the point of including the license terms in the edit forms).<br />
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Fourth, on Wikimedia Foundation wikis (Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons), traditionally every page has linked to [[GFDL]], and there also have been links to image description pages and article edit history pages -- and for a number of years, this was considered "good enough" in sastifying the GFDL requirements, as long as the GFDL-licensed information stayed on the Wiki (if the content were to be copied to another publicly-accessible website, that might be another matter).<br />
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Fifth, Smiki Commons kind of lost most of its point when the English Smiki site never gained momentum, but if you have a serious concern about Smiki Commons, then you can leave a message on the talk page of the main page of Smiki.de (i.e. http://www.smiki.de/Diskussion:Hauptseite ) and there's good chance of receiving a reply. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 02:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: It this forth point that key. Because LOOK at our pages... WE don't do this. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 02:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::If this site is not in full technical compliance with GFDL licensing terms, then switching to dual-licensing will not by itself fix such problems (and the change to dual licensing may involve many additional issues which we are not well-equipped to handle). I recommend that Balzac add the following text to edit forms: ''"By submitting an edit, you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2, 1.3, or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts. Re-users will be required to credit you, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL to the article you are contributing to, and you hereby agree that such credit is sufficient in any medium."'' This will be a significant good-faith gesture towards GFDL compliance... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 16:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Actually on [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Licensing_update_June_19,_2009 further reading] dual licensing is an option, NOT a requirement. You can switch ''fully'' over CC-BY-SA. and the long and the short of is CC-BY-SA IS better for reference material, easier to understand, available in multiple languages (GFDL is only available in American (legal) English), and most important complaince is exactly in line with how we do things. --<span style="font-family:Kristen ITC,Bradley Hand ITC,Forte;">[[User:Roguebfl|Roguebfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Roguebfl|talk]])</sup></span> 06:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Roguebfl